Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I guess I have always seen torpedoes as high alpha weapons.
But in that example given only 2 BCUs were used which made me wonder what was put in the other 3 low slots.

Your first sentence is quite ambiguous...

I would like to see a touch more range on Torps. 10-25% but other wise think they are pretty good. With the same reduction on stealth bombers.

And a nice Khanid BS.

Wt...? HAMs are good as they are, don't destroy the only one good Caldari weapon system ffs but torps lack about 50% of range, and some expl radius (give it -10%)

So torps are good? So why no one use them, now even on PVE? Cruise Golem is even better...

They require too much mods to apply damage, they have too small range, the have dalayed damage, too little missiles in launcher and only Rage have (on paper) good damage for short range BS weapon system

I hope that doesn't mean hams are in for a nerf! They're one of the two reasons Legions are usable imo, the other being the cloaky+neut fit.
I just want to see a TE and/or TC like module for missiles. A module that increases explosion velocity plus increases flight time and/or velocity.

They really aren't. The range is shocking and the velocity is a joke. The explosive radius and velocity also needs a major boost. Open your eyes please - some people like to use them and have them be effective...

Shhh! No productive comments!

Thing is, torps were balanced from SBs. Battleships have been CCP's woobie for a while now.
Honestly, though, I want to go back to the cruise missile stealthbomber days...

Posted before about the Torps but it seems to be of little interest to the balancing team.

The short and curlies of it is this. If you can use another weapon other than Torpedos, then - you'll use something else. And to me, that says it all.

The quotes on here about hitting high DPS numbers are, well interesting, because the number you read in EFT or in game, is not the actual DPS you'll hit a target at. And here is the rub. Currently only faction torpedos will hit okay, and its they still hit poorly against speed fits, or low signature targets. Even against stationary battleship sized targets, they will not do full damage. It gets very painful against smaller than battleship sized targets.

Gunnery at this point, just owns Torpedos. The benefits of missiles in smaller ships, don't really scale well to battleships because they are too slow and large, and torpedos are still slow to hit the target, rather than instant.

The upshot is (no pun intended), gunnery is way more flexible. You can switch scripts out to extend range, or improve tracking if close in. That right there is an immediate bonus missiles don't have. If a target burns out of range of Torpedos, you have to reload for 10 seconds then fire the reduced damage T2 Javelins. So, you're looking at 20-30 seconds by the time damage is re-applied to a target, while they could still be shooting you, or do a 5 second reload and instant fire again to re-apply damage.

These things matter, whether it is solo, or where fleets logistics are involved.

I've heard the arguments about webbing, target painting, etc, but those are all relative, in that, if you added these effects to gunnery - gunnery would still be stronger than Torpedos. You could argue that many weapon platforms work 'fine' when all these are applied, thats just the mechanics of the game. But at a base level, Torpedos just have to many draw backs to be considered a wise choice, when their are either Cruise Missiles, or Guns instead.

Just do a google search for EVE T2 Torpedos and throw in 'Range' and 'Damage' into the mix, and you'll find a series of complaints about Torpedos going way, way back. It is sort of a broken record at this point.

My request: Increase range by 15% on all variants. Reduce explosion radius and velocity penalties by 10-15%, and reduce the se penalties on T2 Rages so they are not utterly utterly pointless on anything but POS bashing. I'd also be fine with a damage nerf if the stupid things actually hit stuff better.

If the balancing team introduced these changes, and then saw that everyone was flying Torpedo Typhoons, then I guess they could be nerfed, but I doubt either of these things will happen.

The current thing with torps is before the patch if I had to choose between Torps and Cruises I'd take ACs/Blasters/Pulses.
Those 2 things were so horrible you never considered using any of them.

After the patch there is only one choice - Cruses.
Right now I even see killmails of Typhoons and Ravens.
The saddest part is none of those ships use Torps, I checked like 15 killmails.

Is it so hard to believe no one uses them on non-SB ships?