Player Features and Ideas Discussion

RR when repping non-resist bonused ships is not all that OP. Tank often breaks, but it takes a long time.

try reading the discription on how the mod works:



nano-assemblers are nanites...

A couple points to add:

1.) I dislike RR, because I think it allows another means of Risk adverse PvP. Go Read Jester's Blog on how many people utilize RR! It basically makes fun of a 12-man AHAC fleet with 4x Guardians, (= DPS 3500, Tank 11k EHP/s), out looking for "small gang PvP". I've run many skirmish gangs into unfriendly territories, with the intention of getting good fights, but too often run into fleets that can outrep the entire applied damage of my gang. Agony runs PvP Classes, where we take 30-60 man frigate & dessie gangs around to find fights, have fun, and teach the basics of EWAR and PvP. We deal 3k-6k dps (frigs) and have no problem slamming into overwhelming odds if we think we can have fun and kill some stuff before we die. Yet, all to often people come at us with more logistical repping power than our entire fleet can output. This risk adverse behavior is why I think adding RR was a mistake, but it is here to stay.

2.) RR is very powerful, and near overpowered primarily because it scales beautifully. EWAR, the other force multipliers, run into major coordination difficulties as you scale up, while the broadcast tool essentially makes coordinating friendly RR trivial!!! Unfortunately, you can't remove the "broadcast feature", because we can all type in fleet "I need reps".

3.) RR can be countered, Nuets, ECM, Damps, force division, etc... are all great tactics to take out gangs with RR. The changes to aggression timers also go a HUGE way in making RR more vulnerable!

In the end, I don't think RR can be balance from a game mechanics perspective:
-- Your RR penalty sounds terrible, and hurts the wrong focus... We want people to drop triage carriers to rep BS gangs!! And you don't want to nerf t2 Logi as you would with your suggestion!
-- Diminishing Returns: This method is hard to implement in a non-exploitable fashion, and won't solve the underlying issue.
-- Potentially lowering their vulnerability to counters would help (35% lower sensor strength, alter cap to make them more susceptible to neuts, their Targeting range is right where it aught to be!)

The only true means to rectify the balance is from a social perspective. If you want fights, don't bring a "**** off" amount of logistics. If someone consistently plays at "risk adverse PvP", name and shame them. That's the only solution I can think of that truly will result in progress!

Its also a bad idea, your ship wants/accepts RR, it does not do the same for bullets why? because your ship is not made to accept receiving ammo in its hull, its made to refuse it, dont you think your ship is made to us the module even if its not fitted onto your ship?

i said nanites not nano paste.

No lols, ok ok... only if stacking also apply's to damage your ship receive, the more weapons who are shooting you the less damage you get

It is quite "duh": Balancing is a balancing act... :loleyes:

I agree on the subject stated in the OP as something like "God tanking/healing". There will certainly be flames and debate about the situation of a triage carrier on the field.

Not to say it is unfortunate, but this "force multiplying healing" is something that certainly came from the roots of MMORPGs and the renowned holy trinity of tanking, healing and DPS'ing.

It is currently like this more or less;
T2 logies are just healers, first and formost.
Any suggestions around such usually requires implementations of new gameplay stuff, in my opinion. Even I thought of a permanent damage model and other supplemental things so that one cannot heal a ship forever; but the general public doesn't seem to fancy a drop of realism-suggestions to this current play.


Nevertheless, it is interesting to see in other games that experiment with healing more as a specialty - and not a necessity. Of course, here in EVE, we have local healing as well. What makes matters problematic is that one can easily
a) amass Logistic Ships or anything else in the RR-field
b) have them be cap-stable to heal forever and ever

Now suggesting changes would immediately pi$$ off the crowd and all that drama. However, it doesn't have to be simply bland nerfs.

The upcoming example is a bad one, especially now that the game is applying the exact opposite for the sake decent gameplay/balance as the makers simply tossed in EVEN MORE overpowered stuff;
In Star Trek Online (at least while I was playing last year), most of the remote healing abilities have a cooldown. You cannot spam them just like that over and over. And there are several ones.

Now without going too deep into STO, I'd love to see something that would, say require a lot of cap but therefore give a ship a few timed buffs. But this is where people will get edgy as they feel it would be like WoW or the old DAOC mmorpg (even though there are a lot of bad aspects people use in EVE too and are not even aware of it).

As well as support modules for logistics ships to counter EWAR etc - Like antiwebbing AoE bubbles as an opposite to HiCs bubbles - as a rough example.

All those little things that could make Logistic Ship/Support-Healer gameplay fun, but giving it that note of skill required rather than just massing healing.