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[Theory] EVE AI
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Naomi Hale
#1 - 2013-06-13 05:29:12 UTC
What if the EVE Gate required an AI to function? And what if, after the wormhole's collapse, that AI followed some plan or directive that involved influencing the events of New Eden?

An AI that would need to move unnoticed, observe events regardless of race, sec status or income. Something that was always there, watching...

EVE? Using the need for a Capsuleer AI as an opportunity to be everywhere.

Tin foil hats people!

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-06-13 12:01:42 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
What if the EVE Gate required an AI to function? And what if, after the wormhole's collapse, that AI followed some plan or directive that involved influencing the events of New Eden?

It's an interesting theory, but where's the proof?

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An AI that would need to move unnoticed, observe events regardless of race, sec status or income. Something that was always there, watching...

Why would it need to observe?

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EVE?

Nope. Just a popular member of Gallente pop culture made into an ever present nuisance. ;)

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Using the need for a Capsuleer AI as an opportunity to be everywhere.

Nope. Capsuleers use Jovian technology. It was a technology apparently used as a way of avoiding the use of AI, due to previous bad experiences with AI that the Jovians had. This was an insight that originally appeared in the EVE novella Theodicy, but is also backed up by some descriptions of Sleeper salvage.

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Tin foil hats people!

Well, I'd guess that this is an attempt to explain a few things; capsuleer dementia and Jamyl Sarum's "Demon" among them. While at first blush it could work, there are a number of suppositions that just do not fit the evidence.

Suggestion:

Read Theodicy. While some would say that anything written by Tony Gonzales is suspect, Theodicy is actually (at least partially) corroborated by in-game information. If you're still dead set on proving the theory, find some supporting evidence. As it stands, it's a nice "what if" but nothing more.

:)
Naomi Hale
#3 - 2013-06-13 19:37:42 UTC
Amann Karris wrote:
It's an interesting theory, but where's the proof?

That's why it's a theory, otherwise it would be fact.

Amann Karris wrote:
Why would it need to observe?

Really? To gather data, to make informed decisions and track results, events and their impact.

Amann Karris wrote:
Nope. Just a popular member of Gallente pop culture made into an ever present nuisance. ;)

Behind the face and voice it isn't Excena Foer, it's a computer intelligence using that face. Two separate entities.Anything could be watching you behind those eyes.

Amann Karris wrote:
Nope. Capsuleers use Jovian technology. It was a technology apparently used as a way of avoiding the use of AI, due to previous bad experiences with AI that the Jovians had. This was an insight that originally appeared in the EVE novella Theodicy, but is also backed up by some descriptions of Sleeper salvage.

And yet, in the very chronicle I linked, it says...

"Her metallic, worn voice was perfect for the task of voiceovers for the AI on capsuleer ships."

The capsule was Jovian technology, now it's made by Empire corporations, first Ishukone (here, here, and here makes no reference to AI but as a replacement for command crew and to combat delayed response times) then others. AI exists in New Eden, from rogue drones to Sleeper ships. It's entirely possible that a Strong AI is hiding behind Aura's weak AI facade.

Amann Karris wrote:
Well, I'd guess that this is an attempt to explain a few things; capsuleer dementia and Jamyl Sarum's "Demon" among them. While at first blush it could work, there are a number of suppositions that just do not fit the evidence.

Suggestion:

Read Theodicy. While some would say that anything written by Tony Gonzales is suspect, Theodicy is actually (at least partially) corroborated by in-game information. If you're still dead set on proving the theory, find some supporting evidence. As it stands, it's a nice "what if" but nothing more.

:)

How can you point to Theodicy as evidence to your points and then call it suspect? The fact is that the lore of EVE isn't complete and what is there is being retcon'ed all the time. It's not possible to truly prove anything.

But I like the idea that there is a counter point to "The Other" within Sarum, which isn't dementia as the Jovian, Grious, confirmed in Templar One, though you might not accept that since it's written by Tony G. "The Other" is a consciousness without a body, born within a virtual world, so really, an AI

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-06-15 03:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Amann Karris
To be blunt, I don't like my words twisted for the sake of argument or talked down to. No harm, no foul, just stating that your post comes off defensive. There's no need for it. I'm more than willing to help with the theory, but if you are going to attack me for simply asking questions or pointing out potential problems with the community at large, I won't even make the effort to read further.

If you've read Templar One, Theodicy, and the rest then you have everything anyone else does. It's a good theory. The questions I asked were valid.

So: What would it observe, and further, for what purpose? For someone not trained in the scientific method or who may not grasp the necessity, why would there be need for such observations? Lay it all out and present the case. Some questions you may not be able to answer, such as how would such a system get around the "observer effect"? How does AURA fit into this? Considering relativistic cause and effect in relation to FTL communication and FTL travel, how could such a system hope to keep track of everything happening, everywhere?

There's a lot left wanting in your theory. Namely, the long time variance between the collapse of the New Eden wormhole and the creation of Capsuleers, and even later the AURA AI. How would such a system enact these plans? Could it be that there are others using systems designed for this "EVE Gate" for other purposes? Are there other possible interpretations?

There's a point to this though. Just throwing the theory out there, when you've done a LOT of thinking on this, is kind of a non sequitur. I've had similar theories in the past, but it all comes down to showing the reasoning for your theory. You came to this theory because of something Can you point to the one thing that made you go, "Huh, what if?"

If you can't do that, you're not going to get much traction.

Food for thought: Three letters, EVE, were found on a colossal gate structure near the New Eden wormhole. Some call it the "EVE Gate". It was not finished before the gate collapsed. If there was a plan, it died the second that wormhole collapsed, didn't it? Why would the AI be working on a plan without the original goal being attainable?

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What if the EVE Gate required an AI to function? And what if, after the wormhole's collapse, that AI followed some plan or directive that involved influencing the events of New Eden?


Right off the bat, there is an alternative theory. It could have been a group of individuals instead of a machine, couldn't it?
Gilligan Zaftig
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-21 04:42:54 UTC
Going to say this an awesome theory that would explain the long clone reactivation of the empress and whats "possessing" her in the emperygn age and Templar one as well. Not to mention why they were guided into the sleeper structures to make the new ground clones? There is also those interesting facts that could potentially fuel the theory.