Missions & Complexes

Hey pubby, where did I state that I can't effort anything? This thread is about gaining ISK in a certain time.

There is no complaint. There were only a question in my OP. Dude, really: Read.

Untill i left eve (last week) i used a machariel and yeah with odissey the income was reduced a bit (they were also redused for tha ones like me that rat in sansha space with the npcs TD boosts and bugs on retribution), however i found a way to keep it close to the old levels, Fit a faction smartbomb instead that useless nos and kill thouse close range fast frigates, the long range ones, well the tracking nerf does not help to much but they will not last long i hoppe.

My 2 cents

And for thouse saying that null is safer than high, well that just have become a lie with Odissey as you can be found instantly when a red gets on system with only the enemy warp speed as an edge to warp, so if you happen to be fighting with one of thouse scramm frigates you are dead. That solo null income is to high it a lie, they have been nerfing it since i can remember and every day it gets worst. I must say that in an ideal world you should be able to neat 200+ mills an hour in null causse the risk involved and cause it is supossed to be the end game.

wrong, you used to had atleast a 10 secs window to align and warp out. About incursions, yeah they may need a team, not much of an effort except for the FC tho, and they should give more, in fact they do as they gives you 100m/h or more to each pilot involved plus LPs, that means a pro isboxer can do around 1.1bill an hour of constant income if not more. and about wormholes... you are completly wrong there, whormholes are the ultimate carebear land, you can farm them with allmost 0 risk, just collapse your statics and keep and eye if a new signature pops (ohh wait you dont even need to do that anymore with the new system) they have no local is true, however they are inmune to hotdrops cover or not and if somone wants to take you down will need an equal or bigger size gang (with a loki, a couple of dreads and triage you cant be ganked just like that).

If null gets no local but also you remove the abilitie to hotdrop i assure you it will become a carebear paradice as no ***** cloakie gankers will risk their beloved ships.

I did untill i got bored (lasted like 15 days), was a c2 tho, the only pvp action i had was a noob in a thrasher that i ganked and an offline small tower 0.o. So it was a completly secure experience for me. I would like to make an analogy between ganks in high tier wormholes and airplane crashes, they both do happen from tieme to time but they still the most secure way to do things of their kind (griind isk or transport from a place to another). How many wormhole capital ganks you see on killboards? maybe 3 a week with luck, how many null ratters ganks you see on the KB? maybe 100s a day if not more (havent even bothered to count :P). Anyway, im not arging about wormholes, i find them great for the ones that are bothered to do them, i was arguing against Annunaki soldier comparing null and wormholes with the vague no local issue, as i think they both have completly diferent estructures and dinamics that can not be compared that easy.

pd: Only a week away and im starting to miss eve... should have reprocessed all my characters
pd2: i already gived away my stuffs

lets say that you are gonna hunt in a -0.15 system, they only offer 2 Forsaken Hubs (the most grinded anomalie) and in the map statics you see that system has had 350 npc kills in the last hour. Now days you can jump in system and inmidiatly warp in to one of the 2 Forsaken Hubs and get your prize like 50% of the time, to avoid that the poor ratter will have to be not only checking local but intel (hopping he has a good one) wile he press f1 and select the new target. Before odissey you as a hunter had to pres the scann well for the anomalies to show and that used to take around 10 secs dependednt on skills, thats the 10 sec window i was talking about, as a ratter you had a few secs window to align and warp away once a red poped on local. I agree on your second arg, Sov Null Sec is the end game because it needs organized alliances team work to make it work, the amount of logistics and cooperation needed behind scenes is outside most people heads (null ratters and miners incluided).

Funny anecdote:

Before odissey null cloakie camped systems were somehow the most profitable, i remember a dude (replicator001) with around 80 alts (probably a bot) cammping an entire region (providence) hotdroping and disturbing most alliances logistics, however i made the most iskies that time cause noone except me and a few were bothered to run the 7/10, 8/10 and 10/10 plexes :p. Now it will be a bit more riskie cause everyone in system is alerted without the need to scan when a new signature pops up :-/

arrggg i lossed all my hard writing work,

To resume:
1) arg all you want, wholes still safer than null cause you can manage the enviroment yourselff (roll statics, kill statics etc.) also a ganker will not disturb your activities for too long cause wh entries and exits close at a max of 24 hours so they risk been traped or far far away from their friends, in a null system they can camp it for a full year if they want waiting for the perfect moment to attack.
2) you are wellcome to rat for 15 days on a null system and tell me how safe it is, i recomend you the yulai pocket on jeiv constelation in providence, they allow neutrals.
3) your 3th world example is not acurate, actually in reall life 3th world countryes traffic is more dangerous as not only everyone and his mother have a car but also the traffic rule enforcement fails too much.

1. You aren't nearly as in control of your environment as you make it sound. This coming from someone who has lived in WH's for over 2 years at this point, not 15 days.
2. Maybe if I make it out that way.
3. Great job completely missing the point.

Nightmare tracking = frigs poped at sub 15km with faction pulses. Or if you're feeling lazy warp in at 70 with beams and read a book while making slightly less money. This is in drone space though.... Nightmare works much better there. Natural resistance holes and all.