Crime & Punishment

Remember that the just the wardecs are already 750m/week.

Is there a reason you do not want to block traffic by Fatal Ascension, Mordus Angel's and Space Monkey's Alliance, or did you, considering their insignificance, just forget to add them to your list?

The EC-P8R stargate is not in nullsec; it is in Torrinos, which is in high-security space.

I want people to camp the Torrinos side of the gate. I am not paying you to be in EC-P8R.

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Your organisation's killboard efficiency means nothing to me. People passing through that gate individually are travelers, not fighters. People who form up a fleet to take and hold the gate outnumber and outclass you. I don't really see how one would expect killboard data to reflect anything meaningful, since one cannot—without poring over each kill mail—easily discern the instances of "gate fire, gate fire, lolz u gais lookit dat idiot by himself on the way to jita" from the instances of "guys guys, clear comms, local spike, jump jump jump, damn it we lost a few," and so on. In short, what I mean to say is that kill board efficiency data does nothing but provide an unsorted vomit of numbers which are often not a indicator of "player skill," organisational cohesion, or willingness to stare at a stargate for several hours a day on the beck and whim of some outside party whose fake money you wish to possess.

Why does the identity of the customer matter at all? Would you prefer that I enlist a non-goon friend of mine to post here with the same general request, or that I wait a few months for this topic to fall into obscurity and then use an unaffiliated alt to broker the deal? If your concern is that you simply will not get paid, then could you not simply not require upfront payment? If your concern is that you would waste ~untold manhours~ calculating a quote only to see it not be paid, then could you not remove the stick which presently obstructs your gastrointestinal tract and accept that as a potentiality when discussing business?

You make it out to sound like I am being unreasonable somehow, or that you would be in some way inconveniencing yourself or opening your organisation to some sort of risk were you to comply with the simple request of quoting a price. In truth, you would be publicly advertising the price of your services to potential customers, which is generally seen as a good thing in an open market. On the other hand, blatant prejudice and discrimination against a group of people is poorly regarded in today's business world. On that note, I would like to speak with your manager.

I have provided for you links to the Forum Rules pages for the EVE Online and Something Awful forums communities, respectively; in these web pages, you can see what CCP and goons alike think about trolling: it's not desirable, it's not funny, and it's not endorsed. Since you seem more prone to argue blindly—not so much an argument, then, as it is a rant—than you are inclined to do research into the claims that I have made, I have gone through the effort of also providing you a copy and paste of the relevant sections.


From the EVE Online Forum Rules:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules
Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.


From the Something Awful Forum Rules:
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/forum-rules/forum-rules.php
We here on the Something Awful Forums are very elitist and strict assholes. We pride ourselves on running one of the most entertaining and troll-free forums on the internet. This is accomplished by charging a $10 fee to filter out folks not serious about adhering to the rules, and banning those who manage to slip through and break them. We are very serious about keeping our forums clean and troll-free, so please consider your account an investment and treat it accordingly. Read the rules, use common sense, and help keep the SA Forums the best message board on the internet!

I will speak to Razor about putting something together for you and send it off. It may have a Quote or it may be a simple NO!.

I do like how you ignored the part about where you actually did not pay for a service rendered. So that will lean towards NO!.

You just derailed it again.

I sayd I will speak to Razor for a Quote, in the end it is up to him if he provides one or says no.

Since your the representative of the Goons your action dictate that of your corp. Whether you guys scam/troll/ or weave baskets for neady. If it was just one of the normal Goon members that did not pay for a service I would have happily sayd sure.. lets see what we can do. But it was not a normal Goons member now was it. It was one that was offering payment for services on behalf of the Goons. Like you are doing now.

And now there is the real Goons I see on these forums, wondered how long it will take to get something like that from you.

BUT...

Lets get back to what this is supposed to be. We can continue this in private but I doubt you will. Will ask Razor for a respond to your request.

Agreed.

As stated, will speak to Razor.

Help me understand this post.

In the first sentence, you quote me a price which implies your ability and willingness to commit to the action; but, in the next paragraph, you seem to express irritation that I would ask you to do this task.

In the third paragraph, you state that you simply do not have the membership numbers you feel are necessary to commit to the action, and cite a queue of contracts as either irrelevant, extra information or as further excuse as to why you cannot carry out the task that I request.

In closing, you reaffirm that you do not have the manpower to carry out the task.

Am I to understand that you would very much like me to pay you the service fee—a price which you admit is inflated due to me being whom I am—and then watch as you do nothing? Because that is what it is sounding like to me. Overall there seems to be an awful lot of negativity from your end towards me, a potential customer. I do not feel that reflects well on you as an individual or on your organisation.

What's abundantly funny about this entire situation, if you'll forgive me a moment while I poke fun at you, is that some second-rate outfit that no one's ever heard of is getting all worked up about a very simple contract that any half-decent organisation would have regarded coolly and professionally. Do you think that I would have been replied to so discourteously were I to ask this same question of Noir., for example? Of course not. Because those fellows are a class act, and they know how to run an outfit that's both efficient and honourable. That your first response to what could be very profitable venture is to look it dead in the eye and claim that it doesn't exist speaks volumes of your character, your confidence, and your capacity,

You got trolled so hard it isn't even funny, also, you destroyed this thread.

Apologies for having skipped over this post.

I left out the entities you listed, and a few others, so that the unfamiliarity with high-security aggression mechanics that characterizes Goonfleet and our Clusterfuck Coalition could lead to amusing lossmails. By having a significant chunk of the Clusterfuck under war declaration, but certain parts of it not, there arise opportunities for mixed-entity fleets to lose members to CONCORD intervention, and for unwary entities whom otherwise would not be subject to the war declaration to gain aggression through logistics mechanics. The specific entities that I did not elect to include were not chosen in any particular manner: I just listed the first few entities that came to mind.

By the way: is your alliance in any way related to the Starcraft community of the same name?