Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What do I want from the tech 3 rebalance? A subtle change, (if we really have to even have one), please.

My DPS/TANK T3 has double the tank of my Faction Battlecruiser - plus it gets lower sig, longer range guns, more speed, and a 35 KM web. Nice. The same DPS/TANK T3 - does slightly less DPS than my HAC - it has 50% more tank - the same velocity, sig, etc - but also the 35 KM Web.

So - yeah - I'd take the T3 over the new super expensive old-battlecruisers - and probably over a HAC - for DPS/Tank roles. Maybe it needs calmed down a bit. . . . maybe. . . But . . .

What I don't want is for the T3 to become configurable to be - a HAC but less good - Or a Recon but less good - Or a Command Ship but less good - Or a something else but less good. Because for the cost - you'd obviously just by the good versions.

I guess CCP will balance the "HAC" T3's down to be only as good as the racial HACs but try and find a different angle for them. They'll do the same with the "command ship" version, and the same with the "recon" configuration. We'll probably end up with the T3s being only slightly better/different from the existing racial T2 ships if configured to be them - or worse than them - with the "Extra" feature. I imagine that in the furture my T3 will be both worse than the HAC in terms of gank and tank, but might have a reduced but still longer web range.

And then I wouldn't bother with it.

"Buff T2's, they're ridiculously weak" sounds pretty much like an across-the-board 'buff everything' statement to me.


Why does the zealot need a speed buff? It already out DPS's, outranges, and out tanks the T1 version. In case you hadn't been paying attention, the point of T2 come the rebalance is that it's more specialised than T1, not better at everything..

The zealot is fine as it is, and depending how tightly CCP applies the 'more specialised, not better' doctrine might even be due a slight nerfing.


HACs need work, yes. What they don't need is to consign the T1s back to the 'outright inferior, only fly this if you're too new or too poor for a T2' status they were a year ago.

They should have roughly 10% more EHP than a Navy cruiser.

No it means exactly what it says, they're weak and need to be buffed. There's no implication of "Buff everything by the exact same amount".

Navy omen projects damage just the same with similar DPS. The only thing the Zealot has better is tank. Is the Zealot's specialisation tanking? Because I thought that was the for the Sacrilege. The Zealot's lack of drones already make it more vulnerable to frigate/dessies tackle and therefore it's less viable as a solo boat. Its role is already narrowed. Speed is relevant to controlling range and damage application. And if that's not what the Zealot is specialised for I don't know what is.

T1 Cruisers were used before, but it was primarily the Rupture/Thorax/Caracal because they outclassed the other t1 cruisers tremendously. The Broadsword didn't stop people flying the Rupture, nor did the Deimos for the Thorax. And the Cerb was never that great so people just flew the Caracal (especially in FW as frig killers).

The primary aim was to make the T1s balanced with each other. No one flew the Omen because other t1 Cruisers were better, not even counting the T2s. T2 should be able to do roughly what the T1s can with the exception of being better at 1 particular thing, so that the only reason you have to fly the T2 is when you want to be able to do that 1 thing. The Zealot projects damage better than the Omen, for like what 3-5 seconds before the Omen's speed catches up? And the Noman projects damage the same as the Zealot with the added bonus of having drones for when light tackle get under its guns. So why fly the Zealot then? What is it excelling at?

I would like to see the ability to switch subsystems
and modules in-space, on-the-fly, on-its-own. That
would be real versatility like no other ship class has
to offer. Then it would be okay if the performance
was brought down a bit to compensate.

Scan with your nullified scanner, change into dps+
specific tank to run the site you found, switch to
combat as someone appears on dscan/local.
That's basically the idea. It would also make for
great tactical combat.

I would like it so that there aren't only a small handful of viable fits despite being millions of subsystem combinations.

I would like it so a t3 isn't the ultimate ship at everything.

Like CCP says it should be a ship capable of multiple roles at once but not capable of doing any of them as well as a hac.

For example a jamming tengu should be capable of being covert ops or tank fit at the cost of having less jam strength or range than a falcon, and being able to attach links/logi/guns.
Sounds OP don't it.


I mean what is the point of a link fitted tech 3 if it is just going to be weaker than a command ship? It should be capable of doing multiple things at once. Would it be that OP if my fleet boosting ship was helping spider tank?


Also subsystems themselves really need to be rethought. The way I can currently mix and match doesn't leave very many options. Covert Ops subsystems should be a type of tank IMO.

I would love for the Logi aspect of T3's to be buffed. In my opinion they should rep more with worse range (they really need a range bonus) while the T2 Logi stay the same. It's a shame they almost never get used.

They are only a billion if you chose to faction fit them, a t2 fit costs about 500m.
The great thing about T3 is that they are not locked into any role, when was the last time you put RR on your falcon?
What about a full rack of missiles on your Basilisk?
How about trying to use your HAC as a cloaky E-war ship?

A single T3 can do all these roles without needing to buy a new hull.

It would seem you shouldn't, as you don't seem to see the usefulness of them. I will to continue to fly them unless the balance pass makes them horrible.
Edit: prices at Jita
Falcon 160mill
Cerberus 160mill
Eagle 120mill
Basilisk 100mill
Nighthawk 160mill
Buzzard 23mill
Total cost 723mill. 6 ships.

Tengu with all subsystem 862mill. 1 ship

It would be cool if Legions had enough powergrid to actually fit modules on them. Also it might be a good idea to give utility highslots to a ship that gets Ewar bonuses to highslot modules, just sayin.