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Drake Navy Issue.....

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Mark Androcius
#1 - 2013-06-11 10:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Androcius
Drake vs Drake Navy Issue
Drake has 6 launcher slots, at CBC level 5, you get 50% more damage per launcher, this comes down to the equivalent of 9 launchers.
Drake Navy Issue has 8 launchers at 0 damage bonus.

Drake has 4% resist per level, meaning 20% more resist at CBC 5, so you take 20% less damage before fitting resistance modules or rigs, which makes the Drake's tank basically the same ( in terms of EHP ) as the Drake Navy Issue.

All the Drake Navy Issue does better than the normal Drake, is fire from longer range and hit smaller targets.

Effectively, you guys made an attempt at a "sniper" missile boat.

Ok, now in terms of how we can use it.
PVE:
Drake Navy Issue is better at disposing smaller targets at higher range, BUT, fitting just 1 target painter to a normal drake, will make all those lovely Drake Navy Issue stats useless, seeing as it's a little easier to "sacrifice" a mid slot on the normal Drake.
Also, the extra range is over-rated and hardly means anything out there.

PVP:
You can make a "long" range sniper Drake.
But it being missiles, makes it useless again, since the travel-time of missiles makes them less than loved.


The only advantage i can see ( and it is only small ), is that HAM's effectively get the same range as normal Heavies, or just slightly over.
Out there though, the short range of the HAM's on a normal Drake, are only a very small "issue".


So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?
The Forum Alt
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-06-11 10:08:03 UTC
It looks cooler and does well on the epenis stats.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#3 - 2013-06-11 10:08:03 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?


It has nice texture
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2013-06-11 10:08:20 UTC
Drake: Kinetic damage
Navy Drake: Rainbow
Mark Androcius
#5 - 2013-06-11 10:10:27 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Drake: Kinetic damage
Navy Drake: Rainbow


Good point, but is it worth that much extra iskies?
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#6 - 2013-06-11 10:11:23 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?

Space Camo.

/thread

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Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#7 - 2013-06-11 10:13:28 UTC
The question should be "Why does the Drake exist"....... death to all drakes ! Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Liam Mirren
#8 - 2013-06-11 10:13:58 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?


It exists for people who do more than just chaining lvl 3&4, it's fantastic with HAMs and still gets similar EHP numbers even though it lacks a resist bonus.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Mark Androcius
#9 - 2013-06-11 10:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Androcius
Liam Mirren wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?


It exists for people who do more than just chaining lvl 3&4, it's fantastic with HAMs and still gets similar EHP numbers even though it lacks a resist bonus.


It does less damage than the Drake ( provided you shoot kinetic, which most people do ) and all it gives back is more range.
I live in null, i know targets get out of HAM range often, but the inconvenience is really only small, i just don't find it enough of a reason to fork out 2 or 3 times ( think at this point in time, it's even 5 times still ) the iskies for it.

******Edit****** just checked eve-central, it's even 6 times the iskies and up.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-11 10:24:41 UTC
Didn't bother looking at it yet, waiting for the price to go down.
Liam Mirren
#11 - 2013-06-11 10:27:17 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?


It exists for people who do more than just chaining lvl 3&4, it's fantastic with HAMs and still gets similar EHP numbers even though it lacks a resist bonus.


It does less damage than the Drake ( provided you shoot kinetic, which most people do ) and all it gives back is more range.
I live in null, i know targets get out of HAM range often, but the inconvenience is really only small, i just don't find it enough of a reason to fork out 2 or 3 times ( think at this point in time, it's even 5 times still ) the iskies for it.



Why would "most people" shoot kinetic, only reason would be when doing pve against guristas of when fighting T2/T3 minmatar shield ships. You do know that there's more to EVE than doing PVE in Caldari space, right?

The new navy BC are not a direct upgrade, because that would make them terrible OP (something I was afraid of to happen) but they're a sidegrade; they're not outright better but have a different use or focus. I'm sorry that you expected to have the super tanked Drake of hell for your ratting.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Mark Androcius
#12 - 2013-06-11 10:33:58 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Why would "most people" shoot kinetic, only reason would be when doing pve against guristas of when fighting T2/T3 minmatar shield ships. You do know that there's more to EVE than doing PVE in Caldari space, right?

The new navy BC are not a direct upgrade, because that would make them terrible OP (something I was afraid of to happen) but they're a sidegrade; they're not outright better but have a different use or focus. I'm sorry that you expected to have the super tanked Drake of hell for your ratting.



Why the hostile attitude all the sudden?
You do know the majority of people actually play in Caldari space right?

Who told you i was looking for an OP Drake btw? cause i certainly didn't ask for that anywhere.

I do know CCP was talking about the Navy Drake basically being what the old Drake used to be, which was basically comparable to a Tengu ( which will not be the Tengu we know now in future either ), in terms of DPS and tank.

Why do you presume this negative intention on my part?
All i want to really know, is what warrants the iskies for this thing?
Liam Mirren
#13 - 2013-06-11 10:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Mark Androcius wrote:
Why the hostile attitude all the sudden?

You do know the majority of people actually play in Caldari space right?

Who told you i was looking for an OP Drake btw? cause i certainly didn't ask for that anywhere.

I do know CCP was talking about the Navy Drake basically being what the old Drake used to be, which was basically comparable to a Tengu ( which will not be the Tengu we know now in future either ), in terms of DPS and tank.

Why do you presume this negative intention on my part?
All i want to really know, is what warrants the iskies for this thing?



- because you don't listen. If you want people to have grown up conversations with you, act like one. If you act like a 5 year old who didn't get his candy you'll be treated like one
- no, they don't. Just most mission runners do
- you did, by asking why a ship with no direct dps increase or shield resists is so expensive. That means that you expected this new and expensive ship to have more dps and tank. From the second you heard about that Navy Drake you had dreams, wet ones, about the shlurp dps and super uber tank. I know you did, we all do because it's so obvious from this whole thread

- drake never was comparable to a tengu

- because you whine like a carebear

- as I explained before, it's really good in *some* situations, mostly pvp ones, and for those people it's possibly a good investment

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Claude Maximillian Dibbler
Eidolon Reticulum
#14 - 2013-06-11 11:02:01 UTC
Hams at hm range is no small thing. You can't just write the biggest improvement off as small because you think it's "overrated".

With Hams you should be getting closer to double the damage of a hm normal drake.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2013-06-11 11:03:25 UTC
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Hams at hm range is no small thing. You can't just write the biggest improvement off as small because you think it's "overrated".

With Hams you should be getting closer to double the damage of a hm normal drake.

You can, on EVEO GD. It happens all the time.

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Liam Mirren
#16 - 2013-06-11 11:06:15 UTC
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Hams at hm range is no small thing. You can't just write the biggest improvement off as small because you think it's "overrated".

With Hams you should be getting closer to double the damage of a hm normal drake.


Yup. And with the explosion radius bonus it makes HAMs awesome increasing applied dps against targets they normally have issues with. And even though it doesn't have resists it has more HP making up for it. So all in all it's a good ship, for specific uses.

But it's not a carebear's dream ship, and that's a good thing.


Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Masaaq
Soggy Biscuit.
#17 - 2013-06-11 11:07:52 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
Why the hostile attitude all the sudden?

You do know the majority of people actually play in Caldari space right?

Who told you i was looking for an OP Drake btw? cause i certainly didn't ask for that anywhere.

I do know CCP was talking about the Navy Drake basically being what the old Drake used to be, which was basically comparable to a Tengu ( which will not be the Tengu we know now in future either ), in terms of DPS and tank.

Why do you presume this negative intention on my part?
All i want to really know, is what warrants the iskies for this thing?



- because you don't listen. If you want people to have grown up conversations with you, act like one. If you act like a 5 year old who didn't get his candy you'll be treated like one
- no, they don't. Just most mission runners do
- you did, by asking why a ship with no direct dps increase or shield resists is so expensive. That means that you expected this new and expensive ship to have more dps and tank. From the second you heard about that Navy Drake you had dreams, wet ones, about the shlurp dps and super uber tank. I know you did, we all do because it's so obvious from this whole thread

- drake never was comparable to a tengu

- because you whine like a carebear

- as I explained before, it's really good in *some* situations, mostly pvp ones, and for those people it's possibly a good investment


Grumpy much? Then you, sir, need to get laid.
Liam Mirren
#18 - 2013-06-11 11:11:13 UTC
Masaaq wrote:
Grumpy much? Then you, sir, need to get laid.


I'm sorry I'm not sugar coating stuff, can you forgive me?

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-11 11:12:26 UTC
Drakes Navy Issue officer/faction fitted erryday. Lol

Op: you don't know how to use it, what is made for, you're desperately trying to make a horse out of a cow. Don't look any further, the problem comes from you, not the ship.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-06-11 11:18:45 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?


It has nice texture

NICE TEXTURE?
It's terrible Cry

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?

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