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Chant Darkstar
Alien Abduction
#1 - 2013-06-11 02:53:41 UTC
Hello all. I am a returning player and am interested in heading back to wh life. I am considering either a c3 with a NS static, or a C4 with whatever static. I have done a lot of solo living in wspace and am confident about doing c3 sites, but haven't tried c4's alone yet

I usually run three accounts, 2 of them being Tengu pilots, and the third being a salvager or booster. With this in mind, are c4 sites viable for me, and is there a better ship combo that would work well for me? I am looking at a long term stay and a c4 would give me a lot of room to grow, with the added benefit of lower competition.

Any advice is really appreciated.
Elle Lau
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#2 - 2013-06-11 02:56:34 UTC
C4 sites are a fair step up, one of the main reasons is because of the warp scrams that are commonly used.

I would suggest C3 sites because of that reason. If you had more people though, sure go for the higher class.. but C4's are also quite 'ghey'.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-11 03:08:25 UTC
C4's are definitely doable with 2 Tengu's.

I have consistently made more isk/hr dual boxing C4's than I have C3's Part of this is due to the higher minimum payout due to blue loot. Part is because C4's are largely more empty and farmed less than C3's So it is easier to roll into an empty system with tons of anoms, and less likely to be "bothered" while running them.

The downside is that C4's are largely empty, so finding anything other than sleepers to shoot at can be much harder.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-11 03:08:59 UTC
Would highly recommend joining a c5 or c6 corp rather than running anything solo.
Stay far away from C4s. Always.

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Chant Darkstar
Alien Abduction
#5 - 2013-06-11 03:12:55 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Would highly recommend joining a c5 or c6 corp rather than running anything solo.
Stay far away from C4s. Always.


I realize most people find it odd, but I really prefer to go out on my own. I play a lot and do not want to rely on others to make isk, and I like the challenge. C4 seems like it is the pinnacle of solo WH adventures and I like that they are avoided.
Elle Lau
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#6 - 2013-06-11 03:47:16 UTC
Chant Darkstar wrote:
C4 seems like it is the pinnacle of solo WH adventures and I like that they are avoided.


Haha, makes me laugh..

The only adventures that happen in them are solo ratting carriers & tengus that get imploded in the face. Seriously, join a group or aim lower and easier.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-11 04:41:13 UTC
Chant Darkstar wrote:
C4 seems like it is the pinnacle of solo WH adventures and I like that they are avoided.

Hardly. Work on being able to run C6 capital escalations solo if you want want somewhat of a challenge.

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#8 - 2013-06-11 07:28:48 UTC
The only things that scram in C4 are frigs and Safeguards.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#9 - 2013-06-11 12:10:33 UTC
The avaliable ships that my crosses mind are:
- Tengus
- RR drone battleships
- Semi-pimped marauders with cap transfer between them. (Preferably XL-shield booster, the Pith type XL-shield booster are actually quite cheap and provides a shitload of rep, but for a shitload of cap so a good amount of remote rep is necessary)
- Maybe even the Tempest (2 highs for remote cap)
Meytal
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-11 12:37:29 UTC
Greetings ISK farmer. You want to go to a C5 with static C5 to make the most money. You will only need a few more of your closest "friends" to accomplish this. The barrier to entry for flying capitals has been lowered with the recent patch. Multi-boxing a capital escalation sounds like a rush.

If you can't succeed at that, you will want to live in a C4 with a static C3. A deadspace-fitted Tengu can solo C3 content. We like more deadspace-fitted Tengus in W-space. Your normal L4 mission Tengu most likely won't cut it.

Please note that Sleepers aren't like regular NPCs in Hisec or Nullsec. You have to sell the loot to get the equivalent of NPC bounties. People can, and will, shoot you on your way to the market to do this.
Nix Anteris
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#11 - 2013-06-11 12:59:32 UTC
Chant Darkstar wrote:
I am considering either a c3 with a NS static, or a C4 with whatever static.


If you live in a C4, you will run out of sites pretty quickly.

Why do you want access to a NS?

If your heart is set on solo farming C4s, I'd go for a C2 with a C4/HS static (sorry they don't come in a C4/NS flavour). At least then you can get new C4s on demand.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#12 - 2013-06-11 13:03:27 UTC
1c3crysta1 wrote:
The avaliable ships that my crosses mind are:
- Tengus
- RR drone battleships
- Semi-pimped marauders with cap transfer between them. (Preferably XL-shield booster, the Pith type XL-shield booster are actually quite cheap and provides a shitload of rep, but for a shitload of cap so a good amount of remote rep is necessary)
- Maybe even the Tempest (2 highs for remote cap)



OH my, dual marauders. With some egress port rigs, this things in dual setup are murder boats. 1k dps cruise golems that can tank 2500 in sleeper dps.
Chant Darkstar
Alien Abduction
#13 - 2013-06-11 18:39:02 UTC
My choices reflect the sort of sites I like to do, either multi boxing tougher sleeper sites (within reason) or having access to NS to run sites out there. Even doing the new data and relic sites can be decent isk, and very low risk really, especially if I am only risking a buzzard to do it. It has been a while but I can run 0.0 rated sites pretty reliably.

My main is currently in a corp and I find it to be very boring. I do not want to ask permission to do what I consider to be basic things, such as setting up a POS. I also do not like being on coms all the time, some times I am afk a lot, and others I just don't feel chatty. I also in no way rely on others to make isk. I socialize in in-game channels and that is good enough for me.

I think I will end up going with a c3 with a NS static. It is tougher logistically, but once I am set up, the isk can be really great for a solo operator, especially if it has good PI. Any c2 is a no go for me, because they have far to much traffic, the same is generally true of c1's. I can run c3's quickly with 2 tengus and have a large margin of safety by having my third character cloaked up in a Falcon.
dark dreamur
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-06-11 19:20:09 UTC
Meytal wrote:
Greetings ISK farmer. You want to go to a C5 with static C5 to make the most money. You will only need a few more of your closest "friends" to accomplish this. The barrier to entry for flying capitals has been lowered with the recent patch. Multi-boxing a capital escalation sounds like a rush.

If you can't succeed at that, you will want to live in a C4 with a static C3. A deadspace-fitted Tengu can solo C3 content. We like more deadspace-fitted Tengus in W-space. Your normal L4 mission Tengu most likely won't cut it.

Please note that Sleepers aren't like regular NPCs in Hisec or Nullsec. You have to sell the loot to get the equivalent of NPC bounties. People can, and will, shoot you on your way to the market to do this.


1) please man up and post with your main,

2) im not sure your " smarter then thou" attitude is warrented, clearly the op stated he has solo'ed wh space before so your arrogant blurp about sleepers not paying an automatic bounty out isnt needed, im gonna go out on a limb here and guess he probobly knows that.

In fact the whole tone of your comment speaks of an epeen stroking null bear and not a regular wh community participant.
Marsan
#15 - 2013-06-11 20:10:45 UTC
Honestly you should consider more strongly what static you want in a C4. You'll make more isk farming your C2-3 static than farming a C4 if you run sites regularly. Personally I'd look at a C1 static as the sites are easy to run solo, and if you do your static every 1-2 days quite profitable for a solo player.

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Aducat Ragnarson
Blootered Bastards
#16 - 2013-06-11 20:23:38 UTC
C4's are nice and quite if you want to bear it up, and with a c3 static you can easily solo farm the sites in there for a good amount of isk and you have easy access to k-space as c3's always have a k-space connection. The only downside is, that the static is a little awkward to role as you need at least 2 orca trips and a couple of BS and you have to actually pay attention to the mass variation.
With a c2 static in your home c4, you also have easy k-space access and you can venture deeper into w-space through the second static inside the c2. However, as easy as c2 sites are to farm solo, they take up a lot of time just based on the large distances between the sleeper spawns.
NEVER take a c1 static. Though the sites are very easy solo, and because the sleepers spawn very close to each other you can use max dps setups to even outperform c2 sites, rolling a c1 is NOT FUN! It will take you roughly 25 battlecruiser passes to close one.

TL;DR:
C4 with C3 static for solitude in home and a little awkward rolling of the static and good money in the C3 sites.
C4 with C2 static for solitude in home and easy rolling of the hole and "meh" money in the c2 but with access to more w-space through the c2 w-space static and possible pvp.
C4 with C1 static if you hate isk making and pvp and love jumping through holes for hours on end.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-11 20:24:50 UTC
Chant Darkstar wrote:
Hello all. I am a returning player and am interested in heading back to wh life. I am considering either a c3 with a NS static, or a C4 with whatever static. I have done a lot of solo living in wspace and am confident about doing c3 sites, but haven't tried c4's alone yet

I usually run three accounts, 2 of them being Tengu pilots, and the third being a salvager or booster. With this in mind, are c4 sites viable for me, and is there a better ship combo that would work well for me? I am looking at a long term stay and a c4 would give me a lot of room to grow, with the added benefit of lower competition.

Any advice is really appreciated.



Given your perceived level of confidence you should consider a C4->C4 or C4->C3. You get the extra layer of removal from PVP roamers (who often don't bother with C4 chains) and you also get the nice static for farming. C4->C3s are more desirable, so as a solo player you'll want to pick one with REALLY crappy PI so that you never get invaded. C4->C4s you could have the BEST PI possible and if you have a large tower with decent defenses you'll never be bothered. C4s have a special place in my heart for their quiet solid ISK grinding.

If you get more serious about Wormhole PVP or want to push your ISK potential, consider joining a corp and moving up to a C5->C5. Until then, I'd suggest the above advice.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Chant Darkstar
Alien Abduction
#18 - 2013-06-11 20:28:42 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Honestly you should consider more strongly what static you want in a C4. You'll make more isk farming your C2-3 static than farming a C4 if you run sites regularly. Personally I'd look at a C1 static as the sites are easy to run solo, and if you do your static every 1-2 days quite profitable for a solo player.


Im loathe to do sites in a static because that is where I typically lose ships. They are to hard to secure and I end up making mistakes there. If my static is NS, then I can do high value sites with the added safety of a local channel. Im not 100% decided yet, but that is my thinking behind my choices. Any useful input if still very much appreciated.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#19 - 2013-06-11 22:29:15 UTC
Chant Darkstar wrote:

Im loathe to do sites in a static because that is where I typically lose ships. They are to hard to secure and I end up making mistakes there. If my static is NS, then I can do high value sites with the added safety of a local channel. Im not 100% decided yet, but that is my thinking behind my choices. Any useful input if still very much appreciated.


While farming in NS, you'd do good to keep an eye on your home system as well. The worse scenario would be to have gankers camping your wh back home while you're on an expedition.
And with C3 sites, I'd go for more gank than tank. With the higher amount of non-battleship sized targets, I'd go for a turret based setup as well, maybe the Nightmare?
Another fun idea is to get a red giant system, to save a high slot on each ship for some serious smartbombing when those frigates shows up. I know I used to love doing that when I lived in a C3. A faction large smartbomb gets a range of 9.7km, well enough. I'd guess that the marauders are best for that, with 4 guns/2 remote cap/1 smartbomb. Or...the Paladin/Kronos with faction webifier could mean trouble for those frigates as well as the cruisers that gets in too close! Or maybe both?
Can't remember the spawn range in the C3s, but paladins with pulse lasers (with 2 tracking computers) gets a range of 58 + 16km. There's no getting under the guns of a pulse paladin with a webber! Lol
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#20 - 2013-06-12 05:07:58 UTC
T2 fit T3s are just fine for C3s. You can solo any site other than the hardest Mag/Radar (relic / data) sites without warping out and you can handle at least the Database if you don't mind warping out a couple of times. DS/Faction is just candy and speed after that.

They also have pretty good mass so collapsing a WH is less of an issue and they cost less too.

PS, totally off topic, Cloaky Proteus suck balls , got jumped by one in a C2 and I only had to turn on 1 rep to tank him. Too bad I did not have a scram as I got him down to 20% armour before he warped off.
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