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Amann Karris
Doomheim
#161 - 2013-06-14 16:15:22 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Obviously - no matter what the situation - these are in historic context exactly the wrong words you could throw at any Caldari.

Perhaps you miss the context. There is no shame in that. However, perhaps it is best to ask the intent instead of assuming, non?
Anslo
Scope Works
#162 - 2013-06-14 16:17:00 UTC
I think he was trying to tell Kim that fighting against the State is not only against what she had wanted, but is also dooming her? In the context of kneeling, I think it's kneeling to kowtowing to the will of the State as a whole and what the State Citizen's want as opposed to fighting against them to hold Heth up.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong. I dunno.

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#163 - 2013-06-14 16:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
The context in this matter is irrelevant. I see and understand the context.
My point is that this three-liner is extremly badly chosen when addressing any Caldari in an attempt to make him reconsider.

In addition to the fact that throwing lil gospels of faith around is condescending, assuming a higher knowledge while we Caldari believe in the possibility of true communication amongst equals only.

If the whole point was to enrage her, it was well chosen. I am surprised though that so many pretend to know our system and our souls. I'd never - except in rage - pretend to know the Gallente system. It seems to work for you.

As does the tribal culture for the Minmatar and the theocracy for the Amarr.

Our culture is as deep as any of them and outsiders should consider that. Kim seems to have come to a decision. We also believe that we stand by our decisions. And sometimes pay the final price for them.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#164 - 2013-06-14 16:27:20 UTC
Hey, no offense intended. I was just trying to translate. I'm not saying he's right or not. My apologies.

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#165 - 2013-06-14 16:31:30 UTC
Apology accepted. If I sounded enraged, I'll apologize myself for it.

I hope I made my points clear.

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Amann Karris
Doomheim
#166 - 2013-06-14 16:41:49 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
The context in this matter is irrelevant. I see and understand the context.
My point is that this three-liner is extremly badly chosen when addressing any Caldari in an attempt to make him reconsider.

The context is far from irrelevant. I do not believe I enraged Miss Kim, nor was that my intent.

Pilot Anslo understands the meaning. I'm sure many others do. It was not meant as an insult, but the response did determine my future interactions with Miss Kim, as your response dictates my future actions toward you. I understand your point of view, and I respect it. However, I shall quote scripture that I feel reflects on the situation, as the situation merits. It is part of my faith to spread the word of the Scripture, and I do so in my own way.

I am an ally of the State. I am a servant of the Empire. I am a citizen of New Eden. My faith is a large part of who I am, and how I interact. If you wish me to understand your culture, to show reverence for it, all I ask is that you try to understand the same regarding mine.

For the record, I believe that slavery is the worst possible way to spread the word of the Scriptures. I feel quite strongly that any who have felt the pain and loss associated with it would agree.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#167 - 2013-06-14 16:42:48 UTC
Amann Karris wrote:

Funny, isn't it, that after all of your defense, it all came down to you bringing up slavery. "At least we're not slavers," in other words, non? I think I know enough about you to know I won't waste any more words on you. Your xenophobia and ignorance is best used as an example of what we all should avoid.

At first I thought about arguing with you about Heth-haan. About Kaalakiota and peoples. About Gallentes, xenophobia, duty and, of course, darkness in all of us.

But then I read this.
Talking about ignorance, do you know, what I consider ignorance? I consider ignorance interpreting other peoples words in complete opposite sense without even trying to understand their meaning.

I will satisfy your desire to stop further communications with me, Lord Karris, and will consider your invitation void.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#168 - 2013-06-14 16:44:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I will satisfy your desire to stop further communications with me, Lord Karris, and will consider your invitation void.

As you wish.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#169 - 2013-06-14 16:51:27 UTC
Amann Karris wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
The context in this matter is irrelevant. I see and understand the context.
My point is that this three-liner is extremly badly chosen when addressing any Caldari in an attempt to make him reconsider.

The context is far from irrelevant. I do not believe I enraged Miss Kim, nor was that my intent.

Pilot Anslo understands the meaning. I'm sure many others do. It was not meant as an insult, but the response did determine my future interactions with Miss Kim, as your response dictates my future actions toward you. I understand your point of view, and I respect it. However, I shall quote scripture that I feel reflects on the situation, as the situation merits. It is part of my faith to spread the word of the Scripture, and I do so in my own way.

I am an ally of the State. I am a servant of the Empire. I am a citizen of New Eden. My faith is a large part of who I am, and how I interact. If you wish me to understand your culture, to show reverence for it, all I ask is that you try to understand the same regarding mine.

For the record, I believe that slavery is the worst possible way to spread the word of the Scriptures. I feel quite strongly that any who have felt the pain and loss associated with it would agree.


I do not ask you to understand our culture in any depth. I have Amarrian friends and we are friends mostly because we can respect our cultural backgrounds and the boundaries they imply.

Rest assured that I do respect you as a fellow capsuleer. I do not know you personally, but if you want to spread your faith, please be so kind and do it in a discussion appropriate to matters of religion. Just as I do not end any communication pointing at the stock market.

As to your abhorrence on the practice of slavery, you can prove your beliefs to me - I'll shortly contact you in a private matter that has no place here, but could need your help.

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Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#170 - 2013-06-14 17:02:02 UTC
Three words: Death to Heth.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-06-14 17:05:44 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
Three words: Death to Heth.

Only over my dead body.
And believe me, I will make your body dead first.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#172 - 2013-06-14 18:02:12 UTC
Is Haatomo the loony bin? I travelled there yesterday to deliver a battleship for a client. I get there and some blow hard gives me the business: Halt who goes there, friend or foe, what's the password, prepare to be boarded, I challenge ye to a duel ye scurvy dog, etc. When I wouldn't play, he gave me the "green light" to dock. Well, OK.

Your friends aren't helping you, Mr. Heth. If you need a place of peace and quiet and a little alone time from all your mentally unstable friends, feel free to stop in a stay a while at the Hamri Aslylum Center in Yulai. We won't charge you.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#173 - 2013-06-14 18:10:47 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Is Haatomo the loony bin?

No, but the "siege" is pushing some to boredom. Don't mind them, they'll be gone once the crisis is over, or they lose interest in waiting.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#174 - 2013-06-14 18:37:43 UTC
Quote:
Is Haatomo the loony bin? I travelled there yesterday to deliver a battleship for a client. I get there and some blow hard gives me the business: Halt who goes there, friend or foe, what's the password, prepare to be boarded, I challenge ye to a duel ye scurvy dog, etc. When I wouldn't play, he gave me the "green light" to dock. Well, OK.

Your friends aren't helping you, Mr. Heth. If you need a place of peace and quiet and a little alone time from all your mentally unstable friends, feel free to stop in a stay a while at the Hamri Aslylum Center in Yulai. We won't charge you.


Arghh yes.. i remember the incident you are talking of Theobar. You must forgive some of provists forces on guard at the docking platform they can be little over zealous at times. Armageddon class battleship was it not. May i be so bold to ask who the client was per chance.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2013-06-14 18:42:51 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Talking about ignorance, do you know, what I consider ignorance? I consider ignorance interpreting other peoples words in complete opposite sense without even trying to understand their meaning.

Then why do you do it so often?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#176 - 2013-06-14 23:23:02 UTC
Despite Heth-haan was removed from the role of the Executor, he remains hero of Caldari people.

I will stay on duty in Haatomo station and in case of any unlawful aggression against Heth-haan or any of his ships from a capsuleer or other entity without proper authorization, I will be protecting Heth-haan as any other State citizen: with my life.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2013-06-14 23:28:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Despite Heth-haan was removed from the role of the Executor, he remains hero of Caldari people.

Actually, that title was forefit the moment he murdered an actual hero of the Caldari people.

Diana Kim wrote:
I will stay on duty in Haatomo station and in case of any unlawful aggression against Heth-haan or any of his ships from a capsuleer or other entity without proper authorization, I will be protecting Heth-haan as any other State citizen: with my life.

So what you're saying if the CEP comes along with a warrant for his arrest, you'll stand down and assist them? Good, you're finally seeing some sense.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#178 - 2013-06-16 20:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
Lord Heth does remain hero of the Caldari people. He is also fully supported by me, and with Diana Kim, I will be stationed at the warehouse and will respond to any aggression against him. I will give my life if necessary. (You have to get into character!)

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#179 - 2013-06-16 21:38:09 UTC
Aside from dueling and the raving lunatics outside the station there is not much else happening.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#180 - 2013-06-16 23:11:25 UTC
So.

CC is a KK subsidiary.
Heth is an outlaw in all KK territories.
Outlaws have no standing as citizens of the state.
Ergo : While upon that station, Heth is not a legal citizen of the State.

Am I missing anything important here?

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.