EVE General Discussion

hey, can you put your site in your sig so I don't have to keep looking for it lol

Eurydia what makes you think that? If it's the high losses numbers, it could be, not entirely sure, be related to not having a skip button. As I've mentioned above having a skip button presents its own problems and potential abusing, but not having it people will just click random image if they don't like either avatars in order to see next results.

I'm not even in the Top 100 anymore

BO! ♥

hmmm, while rating pics I definitely saw an imbalance in number of times I would see the same avatars. some I saw 5-8 times while others only 1-2.

Some new changes as of today:

• Character data will be loaded once per Home and Top 100 pages. Moving back and forth between pages will now be instantaneous.
• Report button (intended for characters with no avatar, so please try not to abuse this button)
• New characters will have their images saved locally. Depending on where you live, but from here, I've noticed a dramatic increase in loading time: 70ms vs 575ms on average for 256x256 avatar. I will find a way to move existing 1200 characters to use locally saved images but for now they still use CCP's images server. This change affects only newly added characters.
• Skip button (bound to s key)
• Slide-in animation for avatars
• Link character names to their detailed profile page
• Added lots of error handlers, so server shouldn't crash as often anymore. There was one pesky error where wins count was set to NULL and it would cause a crash server. I am still not sure why that happens, but at least it won't crash the server again for that reason.

@BoSau Hotim: All avatars up until today were retrieved from the CCP server. It was always up to date. After today images will be stored locally. In the next few days I'll make sure that images are updated every 24 or 48 hours to synchronize with your current avatar which may or may not have changed since then.

@Tanthalassa: I too have noticed that some avatars are showed up more than others, but I promise it's all random. I don't really have an easy solution to fix this problem. But this could be fixed at the expensive of slower response time.
Right now when Person 1 opens the website, his/her browser has data on all 1200+ characters. If Person 2 opens newedenfaces.com he/she also has data on all 1200+ characters which does not depend on the choices of Person 1.
If I were to make it so that everyone gets displayed equal number of times, server has to be in charge of deciding who gets to see what. So instead of loading all characters at once it has to send 2 characters at a time, which involves one or two database calls each time someone votes, and then when they vote another 2 calls to database.
So yes it could be done. If it's possible to achieve similar performance as it is right now I will do it.

@Tanthalassa(2): I have thought about pairing high-rating with high-rating and low-rating with low rating. It's easily doable too. My only concern was it would be come a bit difficult to select who to vote for: What if you are faced with two good looking avatars, who do you choose : http://www.newedenfaces.com/characters/916857044 vs http://www.newedenfaces.com/characters/1100933456

@Indahmawar Fazmarai: Very good points. I do like the idea of tracking median votes in order to help new characters. But for historical ranking I think it would only make sense if it had different character sets every time. Else it will be just a matter of luck who gets in the top ranking for that given week/month. Or someone would just be consistently in the Top ranking.
I'll see what I can do about the median rating matching.

if anyone else has some feedback on the ranking and voting system please do let me know. If it's significantly different (for the better) perhaps it would be a good idea to reset ratings for all characters to get everyone a fresh start.

Thanks again for all your comments!

Taking down the site momentarily to push the new update:

- Bug fixes.

- Update Avatar button: it will fetch the latest image from CCP servers and store it locally in the database. For existing characters, it converts existing URLs to point to the database instead.

- Removed ELO rating completely: leaderboard is now sorted by the win/loss ratio which I find to be more accurate representation. This is a step in the right direction. The next step would be to normalize votes by the median of wins + losses. Currently the leaderboard favors new players, because they will usually have a high winning percentage, especially if it's a good looking avatar.

- Added notifications: just for the Update Avatar button for now.

I wasn't able to reproduce the bug. But yeah that shouldn't happen. There were some recent changes to how wins and losses are updated, so that hopefully fixed it.

But I did find another bug that would cause players with 0 wins or 0 losses to be ignored completely when being voted. So that should be fixed.

By the way, sorry guys for taking it down so often, this update process takes 3-4 minutes, and if there is a significant bug in the system I think it should be fixed as soon as possible.

Welcome to EVE.

Here's an example with Wins: 40 Losses: 245 lol
Someone really hated me showing up in top 14 highest rated a couple times :)