EVE General Discussion

We all know T3 cruisers are up for rebalancing and many think it has to be a nerf. Maybe not. T3 cruisers were meant to excel in versatility and not over shine any specialised ship (HAC, RECON, commad ship etc) in their specific role. But many fear that the flexibility they provide today (switching subs in a station) would not be enough of an advantage to motivate their cost if these ships performance is brought down below T2 ships in a specific role.

This creates a lot of difficulty in the up-coming rebalancing.

But what if T3 ships could refit subsystems in space?

That would give them an unique advantage on the field that could lead to some new interesting tactics for both PvE and PvP and such unique advantage can more easily be balanced by reducing their capabilities in any specialised role. This could also be a template for new T3 ships of other classes too (e.g. frigs and even battleships).

So do you think it would float? And what would you like do do with a shapeshifter in EVE?

Edit:

Possible restrictions

Limited number of possible fits that are decided in station (perhaps only 2)
Limited number of subs that can be brought on the field
Limited to a subset of subsystems only (e.g. propulsion sub needs to be fitted in station)

Refitting only possible sitting still without aggro and with full cap
Refitting puts you in a vulnerable state for some time (e.g. 2 min)

Ummm, no.......

How about just making T3s flexible ships as CCP currently have planned. No one has been asking for transformers in space.

I think this is a great idea. Currently each possible t3 configuration is either better or worse than the respective t2 ship instead of being actually different. No normal rebalancing will change that. However, if CCP turns t3 ships into transformer-like ships they would become actually different ships. They would provide a new option instead of providing a better or worse version of the same old options.

I guess t3 ships should not only be able to refit subsystems in space but also modules and maybe even rigs.

Ugh... That would be the most hard thing out there to balance, although maybe it's not the most terrible idea out there. Introduce a temporary shut down procedure for that and it's not even that broken... Maybe...

Still, good/bad thing that this menace won't be threatening us anytime soon as EVE still can't "remake" ships in space. For now I'm happy that CCP at least finally decided to sidestep the problem (see PoS "resubbing").

I'd like that.

It's a neat idea, but my first thought is with such versatility, fleet commanders wouldn't be sure how to counter an enemy that can change its doctrine on the fly and eventually all fleets would be t3 ships because of this.

They already are, or do posess shapeshifting magical properties to one degree or another.


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I'm pretty sure they werent thinking of vampires when they named the proteus...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteus

Have you people lost your marbles here? People are actually discussing having shape shifting ships in eve..... That is, ships which can transform and and change shape whilst flying in space....... lol How exactly would that be explained whilst keeping a straight face. I'm sorry, it isn't going to happen unless we discover some unknown new mystery technology which allows T4 ships.

I want a T3 battleship.