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Tech II Rig BPC Price Advice
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Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#1 - 2013-06-09 17:18:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Rose
Hello MD:

As a consequence of the explosion in the number of pilots now doing exploration, a nice enhancement in the supply of Tech II rig BPCs has occured. Unfortunately, since the market for the finished product is volatile and easily misunderstood,some folks are pricing their rig BPCS at ridiculous levels at which they can never hope to make a sale.

As one of New Edens most aggressive T2 rig BPC buyers, and foremost experts in the rig markets, I would like to offer free pricing advice at my chatroom:

"TTWO Boardroom"

If I don't buy your rig BPCs on the spot, I will at least give you a good price estimate which will get you a fast sale.
I'm also offering build cost and retail sale estimates, saving you the legwork.


Thanks for looking!

Mistress Rose
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#2 - 2013-06-09 18:27:08 UTC
Is MD the best place for this post?

1. Explorers, who are pricing these items, do not read this forum.
2. You are offering a service, which should be posted in Sell Orders
3. Your service is a price check which has its own forum

Any colour you like.
Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#3 - 2013-06-09 20:10:08 UTC
1) Sellers are charging more than you'd like
2) You're happy to offer a price check service, where you'll specify a better, lower number
3) Totally independently of #2, you are also in the market for buying T2 BPCs

Am I missing anything?
Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-11 12:14:36 UTC
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
1) Sellers are charging more than you'd like
2) You're happy to offer a price check service, where you'll specify a better, lower number
3) Totally independently of #2, you are also in the market for buying T2 BPCs

Am I missing anything?


#4 as someone in MD, you're aware of the value of isk.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#5 - 2013-06-11 14:07:21 UTC
After Mistress Rose has given you a price check, feel free to contact me and I'll see if I can give you a better offer.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#6 - 2013-06-12 14:14:04 UTC
Why should a virile solo-explorer like myself **** around with contracts instead of just spending the ~week of training to do the manufacturing? Especially now that combat training is devalued.
Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#7 - 2013-06-12 14:19:50 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Why should a virile solo-explorer like myself **** around with contracts instead of just spending the ~week of training to do the manufacturing? Especially now that combat training is devalued.



LOL! A week huh? Sure, go for it. Make sure you check the skill reqs for manufacturing capital-sized rigs.

K. Thanks! Bye!

Let me guess....stuff I salvage/loot is free right?
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#8 - 2013-06-12 14:53:52 UTC
Mistress Rose wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Why should a virile solo-explorer like myself **** around with contracts instead of just spending the ~week of training to do the manufacturing? Especially now that combat training is devalued.



LOL! A week huh? Sure, go for it. Make sure you check the skill reqs for manufacturing capital-sized rigs.

K. Thanks! Bye!

Let me guess....stuff I salvage/loot is free right?


Science V + Industry V is right around a week, yeah. Or do you really think people are raking in capital rigs? (not that training two research skills to 4 is a significant deterrent given the payoff).

BPC's I loot with trivial skill requirements + material costs aren't worth futzing with the contract system to give someone like yourself a 50%+ markup potential (as far as I can tell anyway).
RAW23
#9 - 2013-06-12 15:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
S Byerley wrote:
Why should a virile solo-explorer like myself **** around with contracts instead of just spending the ~week of training to do the manufacturing? Especially now that combat training is devalued.


Each type of rig needs a different pair of lvl 4 science skills on top of the basics. Training those two to lvl4 will take about 7 days if you have your attributes optimised (iirc) and 8-9 days if you are combat specced. That means a week or more of training for each different print you find (assuming you already have industry 5 etc), so perhaps 8 weeks if you want to be able to build all capital rigs.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#10 - 2013-06-12 15:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Rose
Thank you RAW.

Oh, make sure you have Jury Rigging IV, Production Efficiency V, and the above mentioned science skills...all TEN of them (@10m each)...set to level IV. Oh, and you need the rigging skill set to IV too! How do you like your training queue now?

I work hard for my markups, and its almost never 50%. Good luck with your sale.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#11 - 2013-06-12 15:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
RAW23 wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Why should a virile solo-explorer like myself **** around with contracts instead of just spending the ~week of training to do the manufacturing? Especially now that combat training is devalued.


Each type of rig needs a different pair of lvl 4 science skills on top of the basics. Training those two to lvl4 will take about 7 days if you have your attributes optimised (iirc) and 8-9 days if you are combat specced. That means a week or more of training for each different print you find (assuming you already have industry 5 etc), so perhaps 8 weeks if you want to be able to build all capital rigs.


Each capital rig, yes. As already implied, even the cherrypickers aren't finding capital rigs that quickly and there's nothing else to train because the skillcap on exploring is so much lower now.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#12 - 2013-06-12 15:21:36 UTC
Mistress Rose wrote:
Thank you RAW.

Oh, make sure you have Jury Rigging IV, Production Efficiency V, and the above mentioned science skills...all TEN of them (@10m each)...set to level IV. Oh, and you need the rigging skill set to IV too! How do you like your training queue now?

I work hard for my markups, and its almost never 50%. Good luck with your sale.


Let me guess....20m in skills entitles you to a couple hundred mill for each easy manufacturing job?
Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#13 - 2013-06-12 15:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Rose
S Byerley wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
Thank you RAW.

Oh, make sure you have Jury Rigging IV, Production Efficiency V, and the above mentioned science skills...all TEN of them (@10m each)...set to level IV. Oh, and you need the rigging skill set to IV too! How do you like your training queue now?

I work hard for my markups, and its almost never 50%. Good luck with your sale.


Let me guess....20m in skills entitles you to a couple hundred mill for each easy manufacturing job?



Look, I don't know what the **** your problem is. This has always been my niche. I have been producing Tech II
rigs full-time for the last 3 years. Its been a very good market and a very bad market. Its a VERY SLOW market. If you
want to hate on me because I worked my *** off to get to the point where I feel that I know the market well enough to
give others advice, fine. If you wanna build your rigs, then go do it. Don't come in here and hijack my thread and
hate on me. I'm not entitled to anything, I've worked hard to get here.

Plenty of folks have stopped by and asked my advice. I've met good people and we traded advice and had good
conversations. You obviously can't be asked to do that.

Have a nice day.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#14 - 2013-06-12 15:31:07 UTC
Mistress Rose wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
Thank you RAW.

Oh, make sure you have Jury Rigging IV, Production Efficiency V, and the above mentioned science skills...all TEN of them (@10m each)...set to level IV. Oh, and you need the rigging skill set to IV too! How do you like your training queue now?

I work hard for my markups, and its almost never 50%. Good luck with your sale.


Let me guess....20m in skills entitles you to a couple hundred mill for each easy manufacturing job?



Look, I don't know what the **** your problem is. This has always been my niche. I have been producing Tech II
rigs full-time for the last 3 years. Its been a very good market and a very bad market. Its a VERY SLOW market. If you
want to hate on me because I worked my *** off to get to the point where I feel that I know the market well enough to
give others advice, fine. If you wanna build your rigs, then go do it. Don't come in here and hijack my thread and
hate on me. I'm not entitled to anything, I've worked hard to get here.

Plenty of folks have stopped by and asked my advice. I've met good people and we traded advice and had good
conversations. You obviously can't be asked to do that.

Have a nice day.


I came here jovially asking you to justify your cut in the production process to your intended audience. You responded with mocking sarcasm and thus received the same.

You've also failed miserably in the aforementioned justification so you certainly don't have my business. Good day.
Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#15 - 2013-06-12 15:38:54 UTC
Why does giving advice require justification? I'm here to help others, obviously not as motivated as you, move their BPCs for cash ISK as rapidly as possible. I'm not trying to make millions of ISK here, I'm trying to be helpful.

Meantime, I don't want your business. I'm not soliciting ISK. I'm giving advice. FREE. If I happen to strike a deal for
a BPC which pleases both parties, fine.

I highly recommend you carefully study the market before jumping into building your rigs. Capital size could require
a billion or more in materials and may sit on the market for months. You are warned.
RAW23
#16 - 2013-06-12 15:44:21 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Why should a virile solo-explorer like myself **** around with contracts instead of just spending the ~week of training to do the manufacturing? Especially now that combat training is devalued.


Each type of rig needs a different pair of lvl 4 science skills on top of the basics. Training those two to lvl4 will take about 7 days if you have your attributes optimised (iirc) and 8-9 days if you are combat specced. That means a week or more of training for each different print you find (assuming you already have industry 5 etc), so perhaps 8 weeks if you want to be able to build all capital rigs.


Each capital rig, yes. As already implied, even the cherrypickers aren't finding capital rigs that quickly and there's nothing else to train because the skillcap on exploring is so much lower now.


Well, there's obviously nothing stopping you and personally I wouldn't mind all my characters ending up with a full set of science skills Smile

However, I suspect that many people won't want to carry out two to three months of training to earn themselves an extra few percent on each print they find, especially given that they will have to invest cash as well to build the things and then tie that cash up for quite a while, since the T2 rig market is pretty damn slow-moving and I assume they won't be 0.01ing. It doesn't seem a very good time investment if all you will do with the skills is build from the BPCs you find but if you plan to do other things with the skills as well, then why not?

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#17 - 2013-06-12 15:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Mistress Rose wrote:
Capital size could require
a billion or more in materials and may sit on the market for months. You are warned.


Hah! Try <<100m. Given the obvious bias you've revealed at every turn, it might be responsible of me to warn others not to take your advice.
RAW23
#18 - 2013-06-12 15:48:39 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
Thank you RAW.

Oh, make sure you have Jury Rigging IV, Production Efficiency V, and the above mentioned science skills...all TEN of them (@10m each)...set to level IV. Oh, and you need the rigging skill set to IV too! How do you like your training queue now?

I work hard for my markups, and its almost never 50%. Good luck with your sale.


Let me guess....20m in skills entitles you to a couple hundred mill for each easy manufacturing job?


I don't want to take sides here but markup is not the key figure with regard to T2 rigs. Apart from a handful that sell regularly (but even those move slowly), most of these rigs will be tying up the capital involved in the build for quite some time, so profitability per unit needs to be divided by whatever unit of time is involved in making a sale. Once you start looking at daily returns on your investment the figures are much, much less impressive.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#19 - 2013-06-12 15:50:34 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Why should a virile solo-explorer like myself **** around with contracts instead of just spending the ~week of training to do the manufacturing? Especially now that combat training is devalued.


Each type of rig needs a different pair of lvl 4 science skills on top of the basics. Training those two to lvl4 will take about 7 days if you have your attributes optimised (iirc) and 8-9 days if you are combat specced. That means a week or more of training for each different print you find (assuming you already have industry 5 etc), so perhaps 8 weeks if you want to be able to build all capital rigs.


Each capital rig, yes. As already implied, even the cherrypickers aren't finding capital rigs that quickly and there's nothing else to train because the skillcap on exploring is so much lower now.


Well, there's obviously nothing stopping you and personally I wouldn't mind all my characters ending up with a full set of science skills Smile

However, I suspect that many people won't want to carry out two to three months of training to earn themselves an extra few percent on each print they find, especially given that they will have to invest cash as well to build the things and then tie that cash up for quite a while, since the T2 rig market is pretty damn slow-moving and I assume they won't be 0.01ing. It doesn't seem a very good time investment if all you will do with the skills is build from the BPCs you find but if you plan to do other things with the skills as well, then why not?


Fair enough. Do you expect the BPC market to move faster? I have to admit I just don't like contracts in general.
RAW23
#20 - 2013-06-12 15:50:51 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
Capital size could require
a billion or more in materials and may sit on the market for months. You are warned.


Hah! Try <<100m. Given the obvious bias you've revealed at every turn, it might be responsible of me to warn other not to take your advice.


I've only had a quick look at the capital rigs but iirc the armor ones will be in the 1bil ballpark. And those ones might sell.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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