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EVE-O preview - multi-client preview / switcher - v 1.13

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2014-12-02 17:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
I can't get it to work. I'm using TortoiseHG and the hg-git. The program says the repo was pushed but github has nothing. I'm just going to upload the stupid thing. https://github.com/MakariAeron/eve-o-preview

FoxFour, let me know what your username is on github and I'll add you to the contributors list. And if you want to figure out how to convert the hg to git, be my guest. I tried for 4 hours and decided to do "real" work finally.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP

Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2014-12-02 22:20:09 UTC
New thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5264866

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP

CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#143 - 2014-12-02 22:28:03 UTC
Makari Aeron wrote:
I can't get it to work. I'm using TortoiseHG and the hg-git. The program says the repo was pushed but github has nothing. I'm just going to upload the stupid thing. https://github.com/MakariAeron/eve-o-preview

FoxFour, let me know what your username is on github and I'll add you to the contributors list. And if you want to figure out how to convert the hg to git, be my guest. I tried for 4 hours and decided to do "real" work finally.


>.<

Yea, it's not worth that much effort. All good man. GitHub account is regner.

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2014-12-02 22:37:31 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Makari Aeron wrote:
I can't get it to work. I'm using TortoiseHG and the hg-git. The program says the repo was pushed but github has nothing. I'm just going to upload the stupid thing. https://github.com/MakariAeron/eve-o-preview

FoxFour, let me know what your username is on github and I'll add you to the contributors list. And if you want to figure out how to convert the hg to git, be my guest. I tried for 4 hours and decided to do "real" work finally.


>.<

Yea, it's not worth that much effort. All good man. GitHub account is regner.


Pretty much. Added you. For those still watching this thread, I'm going to unwatch it since there's a new thread I created so I can change the title and the OP. Better than having to poke a ISD/GM/Dev to ninja edit the main post all the time.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP

Leonis Perthshire
Black Omega Security
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#145 - 2014-12-02 22:41:42 UTC
Might be if you close it and the last port give link to the new one. ask ccp to close this after you post.

“If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win!” – Eren Jaeger

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StinkRay
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
#146 - 2014-12-09 19:19:44 UTC
Yo, activity in this thread!

I was unsubbed for a long time.

Makari, I'd appreciate if you would try and reach out to me before "taking over".

That said, I don't have a problem with an active player (and CPP staff for that matter) driving it, but can we please do this within the original repo?

Catch me on the bitbuckets/githubz as ulph.

Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2014-12-09 19:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
My apologies. Your corpmate made it sound as if you had given up EVE for a time; however, the mistake was entirely mine. The project is still yours. When I get home tonight I'll push things to my fork on bitbucket and send a pull request to the original repo. Some folks (myself included) don't really know how HG/Mercurial works so I switched it to github on request. Once we get it all sorted out I'll ask them to close my thread.

Again, my apologies.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP

StinkRay
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
#148 - 2014-12-09 19:35:10 UTC
I think it's fine if you want to officer the project in my abscense, so for all I care keep the new thread. Do try and get rid of all these forks tho, and I just give you full access to the original one.

If HG really is that painful I may look at migrating the thing.
Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2014-12-09 19:37:34 UTC
Will do. It's not really "painful" as it is "foreign". I just need to read up on it tomorrow while "working" is all.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP

Zekora Rally
U2EZ
#150 - 2014-12-14 01:22:19 UTC
I've been using this for quite some time. I run 3 accts on one monitor and this allows me to monitor all the screens at once. The problem I have is that the previews overlap when I switch through all three. I always have to seperate them again or limit myself to switching between only two clients.
FZappa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2014-12-24 14:39:08 UTC
very nice tool.
a problem ive encounted , since i like to test some fits on the test server.
if the account is active on tranq and singu at the same time , the program creates 2 previews
of the character screen , but they are ontop eachother. moving one causes the other to move with it :)

a very minor issue , but still .. ;)
SeneschaI
Ordo Arcana
#152 - 2014-12-24 19:06:21 UTC
what does "track client location" do?
Flash Startraveler
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#153 - 2015-02-05 23:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Flash Startraveler
After reading this i'd like to have an official respose from CCP about this EVE-O program if it's safe to use or could get my accounts banned.
Even Devs are using it
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Really nice work on this. Been trying it out for a bit now and loving it.

but it's obviously part of what has been said, would be bannable...
I'm kinda confused at the moment Shocked
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#154 - 2015-02-06 01:10:25 UTC
Doesn't modify anything in the eve program. Does no macros. Adds an overlay window (basically it's a windows program). Discussion about this was brought up with isboxer. The window displays are fine there. Same here.

It was the rest of isboxer that was the problem.

There's no problem with this program.

Yaay!!!!

l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#155 - 2015-02-06 07:03:15 UTC
You can even still use IsBoxer, as long as you don't use the "braodcast" / duplicate key function (Or technical workarounds like "rollover keys")

So yes, this Program is fine.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Flash Startraveler
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#156 - 2015-02-06 07:29:52 UTC
Thanks for you answers, but you two won't save me from being banned right? Looking at the Dev activity here, it should be possible to get an official response right?
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#157 - 2015-02-06 07:44:33 UTC
They will never ever say "Program X" is ok. They will just say you are not allowed to f.x. use macros. It does not matter if you build a Robot out of wood, use a macro keyboard and code something. The act itself is forbidden, not the how you do it. So they will never use names.

But this program does not use Macros, or dublicate keys. Read the thread you linked again. It's not about multiboxing itself, it's just about "Input Broadcasting & Input Multiplexing" For example pressing F1 a single time and yet 5 clients get the command. This program does NOT do it. It's just a preview of the client.

I say it's risk free to use it.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Flash Startraveler
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#158 - 2015-02-06 08:14:14 UTC
Read the quote i'm referring to to the end and maybe a few post before an after that one. It's about the VideoFx feature so it's basically what EVE-O does.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#159 - 2015-02-06 09:07:17 UTC
"You may not use your own or third-party software to [..] change how the Game is played."

Good game ccp!
That could be anything.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2015-02-06 12:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
Going off of this post, there is no input automation in EVE-O Preview.

CCP Falcon wrote:

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

• EVE Online client settings
• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)

• The login process


Bolded items are things that EVE-O preview does.

CCP Peligro wrote:

Hello,

My apologies for the extremely delayed reply.

With regards to "round robin" or other features of specific third party programs; We will not authorize or otherwise sanction the use of any third party software. The End User License Agreement and Terms of Service are clear on this subject:

6. CONDUCT

A. Specifically Restricted Conduct

2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

We do not endorse or condone the use of player-made software or any other third party applications or software that confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or is used for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use player-made or other third party software at your own risk.

The key part is really this one: "2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played."

Whether input broadcasting is used, video "overlays" or other features are used does not really matter. These are third party programs which change the way the game is played. This also includes round robin.

Best regards,
CCP Peligro
Team Security


6A2: this should probably be clarified more, but judging by the fact that is says "within the game" in this section, and EVE-O Preview does not modify game files, it's allowed
6A3: EVE-O Preview does not do this. Though note the wording; "gain in-game [insert type here]". Which means *in thoery* you could use 3rd party software to do Speech-To-Text for those without hearing

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP