EVE General Discussion

its filling the role of a battlecruiser, as are the other t3s and they are doing a better job. Other ships have been nerfed for a lot less.

Your order for rebalancing things makes sense until you look at the relative brokenness of each class. T3s need gigantic nerfs as soon as possible. Giving HACs a sig bonus, or whatever strange idea you guys have to fix them, will still leave them massively overshadowed by T3s. You should be doing your changes in order of how much they are needed - how out of line the ships are.

No, that's exactly what You do, You have to get past his gun before he can even get a chance to aim it a you, then You stab him multiple times until he stops moving.

you're dead as soon as he can point the gun at you, don't let him do that.

My expectations for a Tech 3 cruiser (Fleet perspective):

T3's should fill a T2 role + 1

For instance, a Legion should get to be a zealot + 1 other function. So heavy armor, small sig, decent dmg projection, decent speed, and something else. For instance it could fit racial EWAR (tracking disruptors) like a ghetto recon. Or some sort of ghetto logi or ghetto (on-grid) boosting or w/e.

There needs to be various setups that give a t3 a *wildcard* over t2 equivalents. Essentially a pure T3 fleet should show a homogeneous front which an opposing fleet cannot immediately tell what ship performs what role, and therefore target calling is a total guessing game (giving another advantage to a T3 fleet).

So essentially, given the proper subs, a T3 (legion example) should have sub setups which can make them into full on logi-Or-HAC-Or-Recon + a ghetto version of almost anything else imaginable in the game. Imagine a logi with a ghetto interceptor's MWD bonus, or a recon with actual tank.

TL:DR - T3's should be any T2 cruiser role + a bonus (but weak) role.

T3 have their place in combat, they are only specifically good in each race at a very small number of things and terrible at a lot of other things. The scheming of nerfing or removing t3 only serves the interest of the alliance blobs that own tech moons, which is a very self serving non-balancing interest to say the least.

I don't really understand what is this arguement about.

My tengu costed me about 1.5b and I'm not even done fitting, why shouldn't it be better than all the cheap t1 cruisers and a bit more expensive t2's?

ewar, links, covert ops, interdiction nullifiers <--- stuff like this might need rebalancing because some subsystems are indeed useless.
tank, dps <--- this doesn't need any rebalancing, I paid for it with tons of ISK and SP. Not to mention the SP loss is a horrible thing already.

In a T3 that costs the best part of 2 billion ISK there aren't really any single kills out there that are going to be worth losing it.

You may want to check killboards for solo t3 kills, here's the one for the tengu, don't forget to check prices of destroyed ships.
http://zkillboard.com/ship/29984/solo/

You've got to be really careful with this rebalance. If you nerf the T3s too much, people won't use them. Consider the training time, loss of SP, and average cost people put into them. You're right, many subsystems and configurations are useless, and many are overpowered. The only thing I'm afraid of is the nerf bat you might deal to the cloaky sub of the Proteus. I know so many people who would flat out quit if the cloaky Proteus is nerfed.

Well they need to consider reducing the costs of T3's across the board so the Hull is 200 mil ish and 5 subs are about the same assuming you don't buy multiple subs to play around with..

They need the whole package to be more around the price of a navy bc so 150mil -170mil and they need to address the issue of switching subs around so subs need to be cheap in order to make it viable price wise to buy say the 20 subs each race has without it costing about 500mil to do so. ... before hull price is even put into it.
Removing rigs would help with switching fits easily and cheaply so a lot of thought needs to go into the fittings and EHP that you lose from going without rigs to be put into the subs instead.

I think pricing will be key to making T3's viable and worth using aswell as each configuration to be multi role.
- 150mil
- performs 2 roles better than T1 but worse than T2 .... e-war and links or logi and e-war... etc..
-T1's may need some nerfs
-T2's some need nerfs like combat recons e-war is too strong the range of webs and warp disruptors are too high..

That will probably work sort itself after offgrid booster and mindlink balancing.

from that price, I really hope that rifter can kill a titan.



all that it needs to be done is to make the changes good enough that they all get balanced to each other in a way that all ships can remain competitive.

it is however very hard to achieve this, specially when some people associate cost to balance.