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Why EvE Free to Play Mechanics needs improvment.
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#61 - 2013-06-08 18:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
My vision of a free to play Eve is one where Walking in Stations exists in a finished enough state for people to be able to stay in station and actually have things to do. That way, a PLEX would be required to undock, or train skill points. The ones who didn't pay would rely on the people with pilots licenses to move them around, move their items around, and the rest of it. That might actually make courier contracts more viable.

You could look at the free to play players as "non-capsuleers".

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#62 - 2013-06-08 18:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

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no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.


So your idea to encourage people to play is to punish them for playing?

Oh god.
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#63 - 2013-06-08 18:25:25 UTC
I'm just going to quote myself this time, "You're dumb".

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#64 - 2013-06-08 18:25:58 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

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no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.


Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases.


no differnce then using an alt char on an account.

though for trading/manufacturing alts... yeah i do see your point.

there could be a simular resriction or penilty for every transaction like increase isk sink. or increased time for making stuff..

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#65 - 2013-06-08 18:27:54 UTC
Cat Casidy wrote:
I'm just going to quote myself this time, "You're dumb".


i can speak fine. thank you for your concern

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#66 - 2013-06-08 18:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
MeBiatch wrote:
no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.
If it were, those people would already be playing. So all you're doing is offering players who don't particularly need to keep their characters' training queues active a way to keep playing without paying for it.

Your entire idea hinges on attracting people with a service they would get if they subscribed now. If it was that attractive, they'd already be customers. Those who already are customers, on the other hand, are given stuff for free under your service.

End result: no reason for the number of paying players to increase + no reason for may existing players to keep paying = less people paying = less money (+ more expenses for CCP).
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#67 - 2013-06-08 18:28:55 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

\


no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.


So your idea to encourage people to play is to punish them for playing?


yes to give them enough time to get isk so they can re-sub

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#68 - 2013-06-08 18:30:53 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

\


no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.


Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases.


no differnce then using an alt char on an account.

though for trading/manufacturing alts... yeah i do see your point.

there could be a simular resriction or penilty for every transaction like increase isk sink. or increased time for making stuff..


A alt still requires a sub and has limitations. Add in a F2P model and I can have unlimited market alts, spy alts, etc. All of which I could play at the same time since they aren't linked to another account.

No matter how much you try and justify your idea and add restrictions, it will still be exploitable and will not be worth it profit wise for CCP. A mix between a F2P and Sub based in a sandbox environment does not work.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#69 - 2013-06-08 18:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Tippia wrote:
If it were, those people would already be playing.


not true at all. i know lots of people who would love to continue to play the game but either. dont have the spare cash to play or b dont have enough time to dedicate to the game to save up for plex. and such both have left the game

by providing a way to continue to play but with restrictions... this would encourage people to stay with the game and re sub when a. they got spare cash or b. enough isk saved up for a plex...

plus if i am running on ftp time and just got podded i will want to resub asap as to not loose any sp if i die again as i will be stuck in an alpha clone till i can.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#70 - 2013-06-08 19:03:19 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

If they are just remotely like you, we are probably better off if they don't return.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#71 - 2013-06-08 19:07:49 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

If they are just remotely like you, we are probably better off if they don't return.


nah they are much cooler...Oops

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Lugio Bearbottom
#72 - 2013-06-08 19:15:50 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:

But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash


Sounds like your friends are broke. They have bigger problems than a video game.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#73 - 2013-06-08 20:02:18 UTC
After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#74 - 2013-06-08 20:04:15 UTC
Lugio Bearbottom wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:

But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash


Sounds like your friends are broke. They have bigger problems than a video game.


The world economy is in the shitter IRL, making fun of people for not having expendable cash is ******* ignorant.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#75 - 2013-06-08 20:10:12 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away.


who said plex keeps people away?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-06-08 20:14:03 UTC
I have characters that no longer need any training, but I train alts on those accounts to sell for ISK and put that towards subsidizing the PLEX I need to keep them running.

If this happened I'd just leave em unpaid. This really isn't good for the game or for CCP.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#77 - 2013-06-08 20:18:00 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.


Where did the PLEX come from? Somebody bought it, but sold it for ISK rather than crediting their account? So has CCP lost money?

NO!

Very foolish misconception, I'm surprised you play Eve with Brain to level 1 and Thinking only injected.

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#78 - 2013-06-08 20:19:35 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away.


who said plex keeps people away?


The OP.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#79 - 2013-06-08 20:19:56 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.


Where did the PLEX come from? Somebody bought it, but sold it for ISK rather than crediting their account? So has CCP lost money?

NO!

Very foolish misconception, I'm surprised you play Eve with Brain to level 1 and Thinking only injected.


Okay, sorry.

Oh god.
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#80 - 2013-06-08 20:22:19 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.


Where did the PLEX come from? Somebody bought it, but sold it for ISK rather than crediting their account? So has CCP lost money?

NO!

Very foolish misconception, I'm surprised you play Eve with Brain to level 1 and Thinking only injected.


Okay, sorry.



Somebody... somebody accepted their mistake?

I take it back. You sir, give me hope for the future of mankind. I'm the fool here, and I hang my head in shame.

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!