EVE General Discussion

Oh, boy! I can't wait to hear about your meticulously curated "data".



Good for you. So have I.



Oh, I see. You didn't mean "data", you meant "anecdote". Now it all makes sense.



Put your bigboy pants on and venture out of the kiddie-pool.

WH Data/Relic sites are in WHs.

It's intentional.

No, you cannot have combat-free sleeper loot.

As he just pointed out, it was taken into account. Of course with all things MMO related if it becomes apparent that there will be a long term detrimental effect the drops will be tweaked appropriately (most likely incrementally).

Everytime something like this changes in game the market goes crazy for a few weeks, making it unwise to make any changes for a bit. The situation needs to be observed for a while before adjustments (if any are needed) are considered.

Quit panicing and let the initial wave of people trying something new subside, supply and demand will bring equilibrium soon enough (as it always does).

Prices are falling and falling and falling...
Why? Easy to answer: Absolute risk-free money gaining mechanic, everybody - even a 5-day-rookie - can make billions with a simple t1-frigate. Nothing to invest here, nothing to loose here. Just flying and collecting the money...

The old system maybe was a bit... bad... but it had some important factors;
- risk
- investement
- risk through investment
- more time consuming

You had to kill npc's and risk your ship - just get them back and the system is fine. Not as many as before but enough to force people in better sites to use better ships and risk them.
The exploration system in its current state doesnt scale well, no risk in every site, regardless of its quality, in every system in new eden - except for the loot!

We need the risk back guys! Thats all! No T1-Frig billionaires in 0.0-Space anymore pls!

The sound of an entitled pubbie getting dunked on.

I still don't understand the problem. If loot is so bad and not worth the time then just don't do it. And stop whining about rats. I understand that you can't be special snowflakes anymore that alone farmed sites. Eve is a harsh, cold universe. Remember? Just adapt or unsub.

P.S. Why cant a rookie pilot become rich quickly?

I'm an intermittent player, and have mostly done exploration, ever since Tyrannis.

Three weeks ago I had to use a cloaky Tengu rigged for solo exploration and worth about 1 bill. (shield booster). I used this in hi-sec and mostly lo-sec, and ventured into null sometimes. The risk from null-sec gate camps vs. the rewards meant that I mostly stuck to lo and hi.

Now I use a buzzard worth about 50 mill. including everything, and am deep in null-sec. No big deal losing 50 mill to a gate camp... I can hack and empty any site I have found so far, and tbh am enjoying the freedom of low risk exploration. PVP poses minimal risk if you no what you are doing with cloak, scanners and safes.

I'm in two minds about the changes. I like the reduced risk and freedom that comes with it - and the drop in decoder value is correctly reflecting that. But I miss the opportunity of venturing deep into unexplored areas in a high end ship designed to handle itself and clear out sites, looking for the biggest rewards.

I think sites should be tiered more. Rat-free exploration is great for bringing players out of hi-sec, but should give low rewards in hi and mid range rewards in lo-/ null. But there should be some exploration sites in all sec-levels that still have rats, or spawn rats - and these should have the highest rewards. Then players can choose the level of exploration and risk vs reward that suits them.

And tbh, there is no reason why the Guristas wouldn't guard a regional data mainframe, or why some vicious drones wouldn't be lurking in the depths of a relic site. The risk is part of the fun.

I do exploration sporadically, perhaps once a week, I found 1 site that had some loot that is high value.

I obtained 2 Esoteric Symmetry from one site. Valued at 6,070,000 for the pair. While this may be just luck to get it it has indeed spiked my interest in doing more explorations.

Well prices for Data sites loots already crashed hard.

Atm, i think the problem is that making people able to do this sites with a scrub frig which costs something like 2 millions even fitted is a mistake.

Yes it allows even noobs to come in low sec and do this sites, but at what price?

1.) There is no risk to do this sites
2.) If everyone do this sites which nearly no one made before the price will stay low, and so the interest in doing this sites will be hugely lowered. I dont think an equilibrium will be reached, i mean i dont think prices will go hugely up again. Even before the patch the loots from this sites where kinda hard to sell. What would mean that its the whole invention process that would need a relook at.
3.) It cuts off rewards for everyone, the guy doing the site will have scrub loot with his scrub frig, the pirate chasing the explorers will have scrub targets.

So yeah, basicly this system bring no risk and so no worthy reward for everyone.

I think a way to solve the problem would be to put again npcs in the sites to force people to bring explorers ships AND combat ships (teamwork, wasnt it the goal of the mini containers?)

And so increase the risk and difficulty of the sites.

Having the cake and eat it breaks the game for everyone.

Basicly, this.