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Dear CCP please explain SP Reimbursement.

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Sarmatiko
#81 - 2013-06-08 13:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Namasta wrote:
i read this dev blog that cleary sayd u recive 6+mil sp for removing skills. after that i must google it to finde what realy means "

:sigh:
Just refer to this thread for further useless discussion https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3169353
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-06-08 13:42:03 UTC
Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2013-06-08 13:53:12 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
Yes. You can usually check the wiki since it tends to lag behind the actual patch by a month or twelve.

Before, the BC skill only required Spaceship Command, but the ships themselves required the Cruiser skill. After the patch, that has been reversed: now the BC skills requires Cruiser to be trained, but the ships themselves do not.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-06-08 13:59:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
Yes. You can usually check the wiki since it tends to lag behind the actual patch by a month or twelve.

Before, the BC skill only required Spaceship Command, but the ships themselves required the Cruiser skill. After the patch, that has been reversed: now the BC skills requires Cruiser to be trained, but the ships themselves do not.



Thanks.

And to the OP this is the only relevant point. If you somehow trained BC to 5 but could not actually fly any, you get a nice SP reimbursment for losing the BC skill. If you could fly even just one, you get that racial skill and nothing else.

If you were unclear due to translation issues you had plenty of time to file a petition to clarify.
Namasta
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-06-08 14:05:06 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
Yes. You can usually check the wiki since it tends to lag behind the actual patch by a month or twelve.

Before, the BC skill only required Spaceship Command, but the ships themselves required the Cruiser skill. After the patch, that has been reversed: now the BC skills requires Cruiser to be trained, but the ships themselves do not.



Thanks.

And to the OP this is the only relevant point. If you somehow trained BC to 5 but could not actually fly any, you get a nice SP reimbursment for losing the BC skill. If you could fly even just one, you get that racial skill and nothing else.

If you were unclear due to translation issues you had plenty of time to file a petition to clarify.

already waiting 4 days to some one answer my petition
Ryks Nalar
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-06-08 14:10:01 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
Yes. You can usually check the wiki since it tends to lag behind the actual patch by a month or twelve.

Before, the BC skill only required Spaceship Command, but the ships themselves required the Cruiser skill. After the patch, that has been reversed: now the BC skills requires Cruiser to be trained, but the ships themselves do not.



Thanks.

And to the OP this is the only relevant point. If you somehow trained BC to 5 but could not actually fly any, you get a nice SP reimbursment for losing the BC skill. If you could fly even just one, you get that racial skill and nothing else.

If you were unclear due to translation issues you had plenty of time to file a petition to clarify.

already waiting 4 days to some one answer my petition

This seems pretty simple to me. You didn't any of the material you were given telling you what you need to train. You haven't lost the ability to fly any ships, so you don't deserve any reimbursement.
As an example, it will now take me an extra 36 days to crosstrain from a Thanatos to the other 3 carriers. This doesn't mean I deserve 36 days worth of SP, it simply means I couldn't fly them before an the training plans from them are now different. This is the same with your battlecruisers. Get over it or quit. It's your choice.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-06-08 14:11:43 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
Yes. You can usually check the wiki since it tends to lag behind the actual patch by a month or twelve.

Before, the BC skill only required Spaceship Command, but the ships themselves required the Cruiser skill. After the patch, that has been reversed: now the BC skills requires Cruiser to be trained, but the ships themselves do not.



Thanks.

And to the OP this is the only relevant point. If you somehow trained BC to 5 but could not actually fly any, you get a nice SP reimbursment for losing the BC skill. If you could fly even just one, you get that racial skill and nothing else.

If you were unclear due to translation issues you had plenty of time to file a petition to clarify.

already waiting 4 days to some one answer my petition


If you were unclear you are about 5 months too late on that petition.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#88 - 2013-06-08 14:24:40 UTC
Well i would say this is a 10/10, OP really got everyone enraged. And i'm still not sure if he really is a troll or just really dumb, so it should probably be a 11/10 i think that would go well with his logic.
Namasta
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-06-08 14:30:43 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
Yes. You can usually check the wiki since it tends to lag behind the actual patch by a month or twelve.

Before, the BC skill only required Spaceship Command, but the ships themselves required the Cruiser skill. After the patch, that has been reversed: now the BC skills requires Cruiser to be trained, but the ships themselves do not.



Thanks.

And to the OP this is the only relevant point. If you somehow trained BC to 5 but could not actually fly any, you get a nice SP reimbursment for losing the BC skill. If you could fly even just one, you get that racial skill and nothing else.

If you were unclear due to translation issues you had plenty of time to file a petition to clarify.

already waiting 4 days to some one answer my petition


If you were unclear you are about 5 months too late on that petition.


i read this http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ clearly understand that if i have bc skill i will recive reimbursemet sp, if i train frig/cruiser lvl 3 i will recive reimbursement by skill.
what i must petition 5 month ago ?
I really do not understand why the CCP can not go towards customers. and solve this.
Dave Stark
#90 - 2013-06-08 14:35:59 UTC
Namasta wrote:
clearly understand that...

clearly not, or you wouldn't have made this thread.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-06-08 14:37:37 UTC
Namasta wrote:
i read this http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ clearly understand that if i have bc skill i will recive reimbursemet sp, if i train frig/cruiser lvl 3 i will recive reimbursement by skill.
what i must petition 5 month ago ?
I really do not understand why the CCP can not go towards customers. and solve this.


One curiousity. You still never answered a fairly simple question which may help.

What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey?

What Battlecruisers can you fly now?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2013-06-08 14:37:55 UTC
Namasta wrote:
i read this http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ clearly understand that if i have bc skill i will recive reimbursemet sp, if i train frig/cruiser lvl 3 i will recive reimbursement by skill.
…and you got the latter.

Quote:
what i must petition 5 month ago ?
Because that's when they published the blog, so if you had any questions, then would have been a good time to ask.

Quote:
I really do not understand why the CCP can not go towards customers. and solve this.
Because there is nothing to solve. You qualified for a racial battlecruiser skill, so you don't get any SP. Your reimbursement has already happened.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#93 - 2013-06-08 14:38:42 UTC
Namasta wrote:
i read this http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ clearly understand that if i have bc skill i will recive reimbursemet sp, if i train frig/cruiser lvl 3 i will recive reimbursement by skill.
what i must petition 5 month ago ?
I really do not understand why the CCP can not go towards customers. and solve this.
You clearly misunderstood it, as has been explained through 5 pages.
CCP solved this problem already, about a year (Or maybe one-and-a-half) ago.


Anyway, I feel that the carrier that I cannot yet fly, and do not yet own, should come pre-rigged with the new capital rigs.
It's only fair, I was ~100 days away from flying it when Oddysey hit, I could have trained for it!!!

WAAAAAAAH.

Cool
Mental Peasant
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-06-08 14:44:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
That would create the opposite problem, since it would mean handing out great swaths of abilities that people never had.


Tippia wrote:
Not quite. Pre expansion, the ability was divided into two skills, but only one of them was relevant for giving any bonuses. Post patch, both ability and bonus are tied to a single skill, same as with all other hulls.


Battlecruisers V Pre expansion would mean maximum proficiency when flying all races Battlecruisers. The bonuses regarding Battlecruisers both Pre and post are tied directly into the Battlecruisers skill. Whether you could fly it or not seems moot.

Battlecruisers Pre expansion equals the same knowledge that has now been split into 4 skills. That knowledge shouldn't be tied into whether or not you can fly a specific races Frigates/Cruisers

The Racial Frigates/Cruisers skills should however be required to actually board said ships post expansion.
Namasta
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-06-08 14:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Namasta
Dave Stark wrote:
Namasta wrote:
clearly understand that...

clearly not, or you wouldn't have made this thread.

CCP Explorer said there is answer
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299628968179535872
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299635699408330752
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/340781888765583360
can you read this twitts and cleary understend that you need to lvl frigs to get sp reimbursment?
even on my own languge evewiki page no information about it only how to get skill reimbursment.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#96 - 2013-06-08 14:49:08 UTC
Namasta wrote:


i read this http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ clearly understand that if i have bc skill i will recive reimbursemet sp, if i train frig/cruiser lvl 3 i will recive reimbursement by skill.
what i must petition 5 month ago ?
I really do not understand why the CCP can not go towards customers. and solve this.


CCP don't "reimburse" skillpoints because you can't understand what is clearly written.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#97 - 2013-06-08 14:50:40 UTC
Mental Peasant wrote:
The Racial Frigates/Cruisers skills should however be required to actually board said ships post expansion.
That was exactly what they wanted to get away from.
Before, you needed both the generic BC skill and the racial Cruiser skill.
Now, you only need the racial BC skill.
The guiding principle was always that you should be able to fly what you could before. If you weren't able to fly a racial BC, why should you be given that skill, AND keep the racial cruiser req.s?
It would be so backwards, it would stretch the imagination of any normal person to think it up.

My biggest problem with the new racial skills are the increased SP (Bumped all 3 "main on account" characters up a clone).
Namasta
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-06-08 14:51:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Namasta wrote:


i read this http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ clearly understand that if i have bc skill i will recive reimbursemet sp, if i train frig/cruiser lvl 3 i will recive reimbursement by skill.
what i must petition 5 month ago ?
I really do not understand why the CCP can not go towards customers. and solve this.


CCP don't "reimburse" skillpoints because you can't understand what is clearly written.


If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.

there is no words about : but you must have lvl frigs to get it. only words about if you dosent have.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-06-08 14:52:37 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Namasta wrote:
clearly understand that...

clearly not, or you wouldn't have made this thread.

CCP Explorer said there is answer
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299628968179535872
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299635699408330752
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/340781888765583360
can you read this twitts and cleary understend that you need to lvl frigs to get sp reimbursment?
even on my own languge evewiki page no information about it only how to get skill reimbursment.


What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey?

What Battlecruisers can you fly now?
Mister McDerp
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2013-06-08 14:53:03 UTC
Thank Namasta. You've finally given me a reason to despair about stupidity of some Eve Players and kill myself

(ingame)

I mean, everyone explained it to you, in ways that were completely unnecessary superclear. And you still think you're right. Just... accept it.
And also, i know some pretty stupid people (myself included) with bad understanding of the english language and not a single one had problems to understand what to do to get the most out of the skillchanges.