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No, it is not my friend, it is completely fail logic on your part. You can fly exactly what you could fly before the patch. CCP never promised your character will be able to fly exactly what you could before the patch after a few extra hours training, that was never part of the deal.

I'm sorry but it seems you were not smart enough to take advantage of this change as evident from your posts.

I am amazed that people still do not understand "you can fly what you could fly before the patch". It is pretty explicit and CCP has pretty much made it a tenant of every change to skills they have ever implemented.

I'm not sure how you could have such a great fail in logic to presume that it meant that your character will remain exactly unchanged despite the fact that CCP is overhauling the entire system for everyone, did you think they meant everyone except for you?

Again, I am sorry you were too stupid to take advantage of the changes despite CCP's best efforts to help you. This thread is actually quite amusing in showing how stupid some people can be and then persist in maintaining they are correct even after said stupidity is repeatedly pointed out to them.

Hello, twitter is not a eve resource.
in this post no words about http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/
you must trian lvl 1 frigs of all race to recive character as before patch. quote: "In case you wonder, the skill reimbursement also includes:

Removal and refund of all Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill books at the NPC order price.
Partial skill training will be properly be saved and duplicated. If you are halfway between Destroyers 3 and 4 when the change hits, your progress will be properly copied to all the racial Destroyer skills you are eligible for.
If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.
Skill queues having Destroyer and/or Battlecruiser in-training will be paused at the time of the change. If you expect to be away for a long time when the reimbursement hits, please make sure you don’t train either of these skills."

you all say “if you could fly it before, you can fly it now” my tehnical english dosent translate this like: train all frigs of all race to recive character as before patch, there no translation on my nature languge on this forum.
i look all my characters and discover that http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg I got an undeserved FREE SP, becouse before patch i cant fly BC after patch i recive undeserved SP so CCP i ask please REMOVE that SP.


if all was clear there would be petitions to support

As long as Racial Cruiser 3 is a requirement to actually fly said ship. Where would the actual problem be if they had just swapped Destroyers/Battlecruisers for racials at the same level ?

The problem would have been that people would have lost their ability to fly certain ship at all, or have their ability to fly other ships reduced compared to where they stood before.

The bonuses to Dessies/BCs always derived from the Dessy/BC skill, and nothing else — the Frigate/Cruiser requirement was basically just a check that you had past that milestone in your ship progression and not skipped ahead to the the good stuff. Therefore, the important part to retain was that Dessy/BC skill level, and the Frigate/Cruiser skills were just a test to see whether you should be allowed to fly any given ship using the new skills.

Had they made it so that Racial Frigate III + Destroyer V → Racial Destroyer III (what you're suggesting as a simpler solution, if I read you correctly?), then people who could fly destroyers with max bonuses would have lost that ability. In addition, people who could fly T2 destroyers would have lost that ability too, since, like all T2 ships, they require the base hull skill at V.

The entire idea of the “if you could fly it before” grandfather clause was exactly that: that no-one should ever have their abilities or bonuses. What you could or could not train was never part of the equation, nor could it be as explained by Explorer above. If you could train it, you should have trained it.

where my 3mil sp CCP?i have battlecrusers in 4 and racial cruiser only matar and caldari
others races i have only 1 racial frigate(amarr and gallente)-i want sp for them as you stated in devblog before

so you quote this from eanglish version : It is noteworthy to point out that if you don’t have a racial Cruiser at 3, then you won’t receive the corresponding racial Battlecruiser skill. It is thus worthwhile to train all Racial Cruiser skill at 3, then focus on maximizing Battlecruisers before the reimbursement happens.
i dont see there is somthing about what i say.
you say im stupid or greedy but what bad in that i whish to recive what is my? and even in this translation you link there is no word about you will train frig lvl 1 to recive benefit. there is word about train lvl 3 cruser to recive not sp but skill.

OP your a moron you know that.

That would create the opposite problem, since it would mean handing out great swaths of abilities that people never had.

Not quite. Pre expansion, the ability was divided into two skills, but only one of them was relevant for giving any bonuses. Post patch, both ability and bonus are tied to a single skill, same as with all other hulls.

for what i must do this? : "You tried to outsmart the system, waiting for the last moment and you failed."
did you realy thinks that if there was cleary sayd in dev blog: do this ... recive this . i will dont do that? will wait until patch and after that create this thread ? for what ?
i read this dev blog that cleary sayd u recive 6+mil sp for removing skills. after that i must google it to finde what realy means " If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"
no one playng dumb , maybe im dumb... but in translation that you link and in original dev blog not cleary sayd you must train all race frigs cruiser to recive sp. and on image i post there frig lvl 2 not 3 so i must not have recive anything by you words.