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Dear CCP please explain SP Reimbursement.

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GreenSeed
#21 - 2013-06-07 23:26:07 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

no now i must spend 3 month to have the same skills as before


No, you have exactly the same capabilities that you had before. You also had a year and a half to get the other skills up to 3 if you wanted the rest of the racial BCs.

You failed to take advantage of this, so you did not get them.


no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.

ofc you don't have the same capabilities as before, that's why they informed of this change with over a year of time.

no one will argue with your loss of hulls, whats questionable is your interest in not having it happen.

i mean, people where even dropping cans at gates with the message "read up on Skill changes!, get free sp!".
Namasta
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-06-07 23:27:09 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:

no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.


How many battlecruisers could you fly before the patch?

How many can you fly after the patch?

The exact. Same. Number.

Prior to the patch, you could have, with a little bit of training, flown the rest. I emphasized that qualifying statement for a reason - that reason being that you did NOT actually have the capability of flying them before the patch.

You still don't, now.

You lost nothing.

You invested your time poorly.

Deal with it.

as i say before there is not same capability.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-06-07 23:29:47 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

no now i must spend 3 month to have the same skills as before


No, you have exactly the same capabilities that you had before. You also had a year and a half to get the other skills up to 3 if you wanted the rest of the racial BCs.

You failed to take advantage of this, so you did not get them.


no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.

No, it only takes a few hours to fly all BC now as well. At most a day or so.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Haulie Berry
#24 - 2013-06-07 23:31:14 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:

no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.


How many battlecruisers could you fly before the patch?

How many can you fly after the patch?

The exact. Same. Number.

Prior to the patch, you could have, with a little bit of training, flown the rest. I emphasized that qualifying statement for a reason - that reason being that you did NOT actually have the capability of flying them before the patch.

You still don't, now.

You lost nothing.

You invested your time poorly.

Deal with it.

as i say before there is not same capability.


Which ship were you able to undock in last week that you cannot undock in now?

Nobody cares about your training time. Sorry you failed to train for the skills, but it's not like it snuck up on you.
Namasta
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-06-07 23:32:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

no now i must spend 3 month to have the same skills as before


No, you have exactly the same capabilities that you had before. You also had a year and a half to get the other skills up to 3 if you wanted the rest of the racial BCs.

You failed to take advantage of this, so you did not get them.


no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.

No, it only takes a few hours to fly all BC now as well. At most a day or so.

not lvl 5
Haulie Berry
#26 - 2013-06-07 23:32:49 UTC
Also, it seems pretty obvious that you were really just trying to game the system for a few million spendable SP and, frankly, the fact that it backfired on you really tickles my sense of schadenfreude.
Namasta
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-07 23:32:53 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:

no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.


How many battlecruisers could you fly before the patch?

How many can you fly after the patch?

The exact. Same. Number.

Prior to the patch, you could have, with a little bit of training, flown the rest. I emphasized that qualifying statement for a reason - that reason being that you did NOT actually have the capability of flying them before the patch.

You still don't, now.

You lost nothing.

You invested your time poorly.

Deal with it.

as i say before there is not same capability.


Which ship were you able to undock in last week that you cannot undock in now?

Nobody cares about your training time. Sorry you failed to train for the skills, but it's not like it snuck up on you.

you trying troll me or what ?
Namasta
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-06-07 23:33:35 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Also, it seems pretty obvious that you were really just trying to game the system for a few million spendable SP and, frankly, the fact that it backfired on you really tickles my sense of schadenfreude.

i tryin to have character as before
Haulie Berry
#29 - 2013-06-07 23:34:54 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Also, it seems pretty obvious that you were really just trying to game the system for a few million spendable SP and, frankly, the fact that it backfired on you really tickles my sense of schadenfreude.

i tryin to have character as before



Your character is as before.

List the battlecruisers you could fly last week.

List the battlecruisers you can fly now.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2013-06-07 23:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
There are 17 cases:

  1. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    2.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N.
  2. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    3.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N.
  3. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    4.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Ballecruiser N.
  4. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    5.      → You gain Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  5. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    6.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  6. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    7.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N
  7. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    8.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  8. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    9.      → You gain Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  9. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    10.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  10. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    11.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  11. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    12.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  12. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    13.      → You gain Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  13. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    14.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  14. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    15.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  15. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    16.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  16. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    17.      → You are reimbursed the SP you had in Battlecruiser N.
  17. You had: Battlecruiser 0
    18.      → You gain nothing.
In all cases, you keep the cruisers skills and you lose your old battlecruiser skill. The same pattern holds true for the destroyers, only with Destroyer replacing Battlecruiser and with Frigate instead of Cruiser.

Pick the one that applies to you. Only if none of them apply to your situation before and after the patch has something gone wrong and you might have lost something; otherwise, all is as it should be and you have lost nothing.
Namasta
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-06-07 23:37:45 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Also, it seems pretty obvious that you were really just trying to game the system for a few million spendable SP and, frankly, the fact that it backfired on you really tickles my sense of schadenfreude.

i tryin to have character as before



Your character is as before.

List the battlecruisers you could fly last week.

List the battlecruisers you can fly now.


my character will be as before when i spend few hours and will have all BC lvl 5. its just simple logic.
Namasta
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-06-07 23:39:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
There are 17 cases:

  1. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    2.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N.
  2. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    3.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N.
  3. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    4.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Ballecruiser N.
  4. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    5.      → You gain Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  5. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    6.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  6. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    7.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N
  7. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    8.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  8. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    9.      → You gain Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  9. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    10.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  10. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    11.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  11. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    12.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  12. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    13.      → You gain Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  13. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    14.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  14. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    15.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  15. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    16.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  16. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    17.      → You are reimbursed the SP you had in Battlecruiser N.
  17. You had: Battlecruiser 0
    18.      → You gain nothing.
In all cases, you keep the cruisers skills and you lose your old battlecruiser skill.

Pick the one that applies to you. Only if none of them apply to your situation before and after the patch has something gone wrong and you might have lost something; otherwise, all is as it should be and you have lost nothing.

where did you get this ? why that not in this dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#33 - 2013-06-07 23:40:21 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Also, it seems pretty obvious that you were really just trying to game the system for a few million spendable SP and, frankly, the fact that it backfired on you really tickles my sense of schadenfreude.

i tryin to have character as before



Your character is as before.

List the battlecruisers you could fly last week.

List the battlecruisers you can fly now.


my character will be as before when i spend few hours and will have all BC lvl 5. its just simple logic.



Well, you're not going to have this. Not going to happen.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#34 - 2013-06-07 23:40:42 UTC
Tippia made my weekend.

Remove standings and insurance.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-06-07 23:42:05 UTC
Namasta wrote:
where did you get this ? why that not in this dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234
It is exactly what's in the devblog, only written out in (excruciatingly) long form.
Read the section under “Destroyers and Battlecruisers, please fill your reimbursement form” in the blog.
Haulie Berry
#36 - 2013-06-07 23:42:11 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Tippia wrote:
There are 17 cases:

  1. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    2.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N.
  2. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    3.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N.
  3. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    4.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Ballecruiser N.
  4. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    5.      → You gain Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  5. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    6.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  6. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    7.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N
  7. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    8.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N.
  8. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    9.      → You gain Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  9. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    10.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  10. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    11.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  11. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    12.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  12. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    13.      → You gain Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  13. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    14.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  14. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    15.      → You gain Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  15. You had: Amarr Cruiser ≥3, Caldari Cruiser ≥3, Gallente Cruiser ≥3, Minmatar Cruiser ≥3, Battlecruiser N
    16.      → You gain Amarr Battlecruiser N, Caldari Battlecruiser N, Gallente Battlecruiser N, Minmatar Battlecruiser N.
  16. You had: Amarr Cruiser <3, Caldari Cruiser <3, Gallente Cruiser <3, Minmatar Cruiser <3, Battlecruiser N
    17.      → You are reimbursed the SP you had in Battlecruiser N.
  17. You had: Battlecruiser 0
    18.      → You gain nothing.
In all cases, you keep the cruisers skills and you lose your old battlecruiser skill.

Pick the one that applies to you. Only if none of them apply to your situation before and after the patch has something gone wrong and you might have lost something; otherwise, all is as it should be and you have lost nothing.

where did you get this ? why that not in this dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234



It is in the dev blog, just in a different format. Lol
Namasta
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-06-07 23:46:47 UTC
Quote:
It is in the dev blog, just in a different format. Lol

troll format? kk.
Haulie Berry
#38 - 2013-06-07 23:48:32 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Quote:
It is in the dev blog, just in a different format. Lol

troll format? kk.



Tippia's post is an extrapolation of what the dev blogs described.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#39 - 2013-06-07 23:49:09 UTC
No one is trying to troll you Namasta.
You just don't get it.
You are a bit slow.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2013-06-07 23:50:05 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Quote:
It is in the dev blog, just in a different format. Lol

troll format?

No, more like binary, since it's a set of Yes/No questions that drive what you get out of the switch-over.