EVE General Discussion

There are two classes of pilots, contributing and non-contributing. Could the population cap distinguish between them? Allow people to log in and trade on the market, but give them traffic control when undocking. It should be simple enough to check whether a pilot is in space or docked when they log in, though this would not help if it turns out logging in causes lag.

There are also game design options that could be pursued. You could for example add cloning facilities to the 4,4 station (which would reduce the number of people who have to undock, fly to the cloning station, then fly back to 4,4 again). That means less pilots in space. You could disable kill-rights on grid with 4,4 due to overpopulation, which will encourage the highsec PVPers to move to somewhere else (maybe Perimeter?).

I appreciate all the dev replies to this thread btw.

I don't care about Jita myself, I'm just interested in seeing epic battles with 3k+ people in systems.
BTW, I never liked Jita and for all trading I fly to Amarr, with very rare exceptions.

I sort of side with CCP Explorer regarding the priority of banning spam bots vs. other type of bots.

BUT, getting back to the central issue of the population limit.

What is the big deal about having Jita on TiDi (sth. like 30-70%) for most of the time? Why not?

That should allow CCP to roughly double the cap. The higher the cap, the better (even if it is necessary), artificial limits aren't very sandboxy...

I live in Panama, why don´t they make Gates into Jita work like the Panama Canal? or Gates leading to it?

CHARGE.

CHARGE PEOPLE FOR GOING THERE during peak hours

The Higher Tonnage ships pay more, like freighters and battleships, frigates pay less, you get the idea .


ISK sink, less traffic at peak hours, people using alternate hubs.

Toll free during low pop, then it would flood, then tolls go up, less people go in , the system will sort itself eventually reaching equilibrium.

Just an idea , since I really enjoy seeing the queues in the canal from yachts and cruise ships, such beautiful patterns, love it when all the little ships begin gathering in a small group to pass all at once, or when the blaring horns of the super freighters roar for a bit.

Wonderful place the Panama Canal, marvel of engineering.

Anyway love this thread, interesting data from devs, I really miss the days devs talked more to people in here ...

The problem being is that CCP is already treating Jita as a special snowflake with enhanced hardware and you not caring about real life examples is a problem since our virtual world has very real limitations based in the real world. You also say "I've scanned freighters with 10b+ cargo sitting on the gates just waiting to be popped by a highly organized ganksquad." That should be reason enough to seek alternative markets. I'd rather get my shinies on sale rather than wait at a gate for a suicide squad to pop me. Another option is of course, sell in perimeter. Most traffic is headed that way

A sandbox game where you must adjust your actions and do things you dont want to do is no sandbox at all.

Also, try to explain "traffic jam" in SPACE to someone who likes to roleplay in EVE.

He will laugh in your face.[/quote]

Even a sandbox has a border on it to delineate it from its surroundings. Even a sandbox can hold so many children before it becomes too full. As I stated in this thread previously (I think it was this one, these types of threads tend to blend) the fact that Jita can take as many pilots in space as it does is a technological achievement. Most super computers couldn't handle the load that jita does. The amount of people at peak would cause most MMO shards to collapse.

How about we stop going round in circles discussing hardware and load and come up with an actually innovative solution – here are just a few ideas.

1) Make tax and broker fees apply on a system by system basis, with the top market hubs having the highest rates of tax. This encourages players to establish secondary market hubs, most likely in the systems adjacent to market hubs in the same region which can then be reinforced on their own nodes.

2) Create a tax to enter market hubs, and where necessary create bypasses so you can go around the system – I’m not 100% sure but I think this may be a problem in Amarr some destinations you have to travel through.

3) Create actual queue system for jumping into hubs and inform players of their position in the queue to manage their expectations, this can include estimated time to enter the system and the ability to cancel and remove themselves from the queue.

4) Add shipping functionality from NPC corporations at trade hubs, this would allow goods purchased in Jita to be moved 1 jump in any direction outside of Jita at a set fee per cubic meter. This reduces the need to enter the system and therefore the jump load.

These features can tie in nicely with the EVE storyline, with the universe on the brink of war creating new war machines they need funding. The best way to do this is through taxation and where better to tax than your primary economic hot spots for the biggest gains. Also tax relief in low trade volume areas can be explained through government tax breaks to encourage growth and later fund war. All of these additional ISK sinks also help the EVE economy as we’ve heard plenty about there being too many ISK faucets and not enough sinks.

Yeah I agree doesn't have to be all 4 just a combination of factors to create an incentive for people not to go to Jita, would make small start for a very next industry and commerce themed expansion.

I can just hear the goons and James315 screaming into their monitors as they read this. Dear god, an industry and commerce themed expansion? Why not just call it "EvE Online: Care-a-lot"

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