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Research or PI for Low SP Passive ISK Alt?
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Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-07 20:16:27 UTC
So I now have enough faction standing that I could anchor a POS in 0.5 or 0.6 I think. It would not be that long to get 0.7, which I understand is the highest sec level you can anchor in anyway.

I am thinking about training up a pure research alt just to do research and sell BPCs. The big investments up front would obviously be the POS, the BPOs, and then the POS fuel for the time needed to get the ME/PE up to marketable levels. I do not plan to do any manufacturing.

My questions at this point are (1) am I going to find every single moon in every single anchorable system in high sec already taken by people with the same idea; and (2) after putting in everything it would take to get set up and running, would I wind up being better off to just train a cheap PI alt and do that instead?

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Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#2 - 2013-06-07 20:25:46 UTC
1) Moons are easy to find in less ideal system, but they are all takens in missiong/trade hubs and around.

2)Probably. POS are usefull if you want to extend your operations, and you don't seem to have one

I sell drones and drones accessories.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-07 20:32:24 UTC
Markus Navarro wrote:
Moons are easy to find in less ideal system, but they are all takens in missiong/trade hubs and around.

I'll keep that in mind. I don't mind making a pick up run a dozen jumps out and back with the hauler alt once in a while just to fetch the BPCs or whatever.

One thing I'm curious of: If the research alt is running the POS from a station in system and all the BPOs stay locked down in the corp hangar, do the output BPCs wind up back in the corp hangar in station, or do they get dumped into the POS?

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Haulie Berry
#4 - 2013-06-07 20:37:57 UTC
1. No. Moons abound.
2. Better off... how?

You can't really directly compare those two activities wholesale.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-07 20:45:05 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
2. Better off... how?

Assuming a PI alt and a research alt do nothing but log in as needed to tend to the running jobs, (1) which one likely generates more ISK per month on average, or more ISK/hr based on the actual logged in time needed to tend to them; and (2) which one makes a better return on investment in terms of the ISK generated per month vs. the total time and ISK invested to startup.

Or are they about the same.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-06-07 20:46:17 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
One thing I'm curious of: If the research alt is running the POS from a station in system and all the BPOs stay locked down in the corp hangar, do the output BPCs wind up back in the corp hangar in station, or do they get dumped into the POS?


Copying or invention, the output BPCs end up in the lab's hanger in the POS. If you're doing ME or PE research, the BPOs stay in the station and are returned to the corp hanger in station when the research is done.

As for a 'passive' income research alt, do the maths first, make sure that your alt's research can cover the fuel and charter costs and still make profit on the side.
Haulie Berry
#7 - 2013-06-07 20:49:53 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
2. Better off... how?

Assuming a PI alt and a research alt do nothing but log in as needed to tend to the running jobs, (1) which one likely generates more ISK per month on average, or more ISK/hr based on the actual logged in time needed to tend to them; and (2) which one makes a better return on investment in terms of the ISK generated per month vs. the total time and ISK invested to startup.

Or are they about the same.



Too many variables. What are you researching? What space are you doing PI in?

Researching is basically the MOST passive income. You can literally go a month or more between having to manage research jobs.

PI can be pretty passive, but your earnings are going to be better if you do it in a less-passive fashion. It's also going to strongly depend on where you're doing that PI.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2013-06-07 21:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Haulie Berry wrote:
Too many variables. What are you researching? What space are you doing PI in?

Researching is basically the MOST passive income. You can literally go a month or more between having to manage research jobs.

PI can be pretty passive, but your earnings are going to be better if you do it in a less-passive fashion. It's also going to strongly depend on where you're doing that PI.


Researching also generally requires a much larger initial investment than PI, so your return on each ISK invested is going to be lower.

PI requires more effort than research, but far less ISK investment.

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Haulie Berry
#9 - 2013-06-07 21:19:45 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Too many variables. What are you researching? What space are you doing PI in?

Researching is basically the MOST passive income. You can literally go a month or more between having to manage research jobs.

PI can be pretty passive, but your earnings are going to be better if you do it in a less-passive fashion. It's also going to strongly depend on where you're doing that PI.


Researching also generally requires a much larger initial investment than PI, so your return on each ISK invested is going to be lower.

PI requires more effort than research, but far less ISK investment.



Yes, this is very true. Research is generally a career for people looking to invest billions/tens of billions. PI can be paid for with bellybutton lint.
brinelan
#10 - 2013-06-07 21:21:14 UTC
There are plenty of hisec moons, caldari space is pretty much dumb luck or wardec a dead pos, but other faction space tends to have plenty even near a trade hub.