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Reintroduction of the faction POS
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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-07 09:39:50 UTC
Faction POS's were reintroduced in odyssey, and i was wondering what you guys think this means for the much talked about POS revamp.

Does this hint at the revamp being delayed/canceled or am i reading too much into it?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-06-07 09:54:54 UTC
They went away? could have sworn i saw one get seiged while i was passing through a c3 a few weeks ago or do you mean theyre dropping again?

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-07 09:56:37 UTC
Yeah sorry, i meant that they started dropping again.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#4 - 2013-06-07 10:27:59 UTC
Good point actually, why would they start seeding them again after years where they didn't drop, if POS's were to be replaced soon?

But of course new modular POS's may be introduced in such a way that existing POS's are converted into the new type and a faction tower will become a faction New-POS.

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#5 - 2013-06-07 11:16:37 UTC
lol faction pos's who uses those anyway just pos refuelers who want to wait longer between each cycle lol

/sarcasm

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-06-07 15:03:19 UTC
During fanfest, didn't they allude to workload being a problem for pos re-vamp?

Don't ban me, bro!
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#7 - 2013-06-07 16:28:47 UTC
It's way down the line. The POS code is such a mess that they can't really do incremental updates, they have to design the complete new thing before anything else happens, and that requires a commitment of time and energy to the point where Unifex at one point said "We could have a whole expansion that was JUST new POSes."

So, they are working on it, but it's going to be a while before there is anything in place. In the interim, they're giving us "bandaid" fixes, like the personal CHAs and the upcoming personal SMAs. I categorize faction towers as another bandaid - with the changes to ice, the reduced fuel costs are now much more relevant.
Marsan
#8 - 2013-06-07 16:32:32 UTC
The most recent impression they've given is the POS revamp isn't in the works at all. Which is why they are doing improvements to the current POSes. The devs have indicated that the modular POSes would basically require a release or 2 just for the POS work, and they aren't willing devote that much time to it.

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-06-07 23:17:38 UTC
jonnykefka wrote:
It's way down the line. The POS code is such a mess that they can't really do incremental updates, they have to design the complete new thing before anything else happens, and that requires a commitment of time and energy to the point where Unifex at one point said "We could have a whole expansion that was JUST new POSes."

So, they are working on it, but it's going to be a while before there is anything in place. In the interim, they're giving us "bandaid" fixes, like the personal CHAs and the upcoming personal SMAs. I categorize faction towers as another bandaid - with the changes to ice, the reduced fuel costs are now much more relevant.

This actually makes me wonder if dedicating resources to a "POS rework branch" of Eve might be useful, to let a team hammer on the newPOS stuff over a longer period of time than a single expansion cycle can provide. The bandages are slowing the bleeding at least slightly from what I can tell, though, so that's a good thing.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-08 04:38:59 UTC
jonnykefka wrote:
It's way down the line. The POS code is such a mess that they can't really do incremental updates, they have to design the complete new thing before anything else happens, and that requires a commitment of time and energy to the point where Unifex at one point said "We could have a whole expansion that was JUST new POSes."

So, they are working on it, but it's going to be a while before there is anything in place. In the interim, they're giving us "bandaid" fixes, like the personal CHAs and the upcoming personal SMAs. I categorize faction towers as another bandaid - with the changes to ice, the reduced fuel costs are now much more relevant.


I keep seeing people throw the bolded around. How do any of us know this?

Don't ban me, bro!
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#11 - 2013-06-08 13:17:26 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
jonnykefka wrote:
It's way down the line. The POS code is such a mess that they can't really do incremental updates, they have to design the complete new thing before anything else happens, and that requires a commitment of time and energy to the point where Unifex at one point said "We could have a whole expansion that was JUST new POSes."

So, they are working on it, but it's going to be a while before there is anything in place. In the interim, they're giving us "bandaid" fixes, like the personal CHAs and the upcoming personal SMAs. I categorize faction towers as another bandaid - with the changes to ice, the reduced fuel costs are now much more relevant.


I keep seeing people throw the bolded around. How do any of us know this?


In my case, from chatting with CCP devs at a meetup.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#12 - 2013-06-09 23:05:41 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Yeah sorry, i meant that they started dropping again.


at a very low drop rate but i think it is because its going to be delayed which is pretty bad because if anything needs a huge overhaul quick its POS at nr 1 and drones at nr 2

i live in WH since not too long and then you realy see how hard its needed

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Ferna Akai
Shinn's XIII'th army
#13 - 2013-06-10 04:19:40 UTC
I don't think anyone is going to argue the POSSES are fine, and indeed in W-Space the annoyance with the currect system is getting to the most of us.

However according to information provided by CCP in some informercials, blogs etc POS revamp is still on the table. However as said before the system is so messed up its hard to ' improve' on it.

In my opinion CCP would be better off developing a complete new system for POS/starbase and just replace the current with the new. However that will cause the needed rage ofc ;)
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#14 - 2013-06-10 04:23:30 UTC
Ferna Akai wrote:
In my opinion CCP would be better off developing a complete new system for POS/starbase and just replace the current with the new. However that will cause the needed rage ofc ;)


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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-10 04:26:48 UTC
Ferna Akai wrote:
I don't think anyone is going to argue the POSSES are fine, and indeed in W-Space the annoyance with the currect system is getting to the most of us.

However according to information provided by CCP in some informercials, blogs etc POS revamp is still on the table. However as said before the system is so messed up its hard to ' improve' on it.

In my opinion CCP would be better off developing a complete new system for POS/starbase and just replace the current with the new. However that will cause the needed rage ofc ;)


I dunno, I haven't had that much trouble living out of one for the last 2 years. Once we get T3subsystem support everything else is manageable.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-06-10 12:46:28 UTC
Basically what it means is my faction towers are now worth a lot less.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-10 12:57:01 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Basically what it means is my faction towers may someday be worth a lot less.



FTFY

Given drop rates, and potential demand if fuel rises (especially for HS dwellers) I don't expect the prices to change that drastically anytime soon.
Marsan
#18 - 2013-06-10 16:03:04 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
jonnykefka wrote:
It's way down the line. The POS code is such a mess that they can't really do incremental updates, they have to design the complete new thing before anything else happens, and that requires a commitment of time and energy to the point where Unifex at one point said "We could have a whole expansion that was JUST new POSes."

So, they are working on it, but it's going to be a while before there is anything in place. In the interim, they're giving us "bandaid" fixes, like the personal CHAs and the upcoming personal SMAs. I categorize faction towers as another bandaid - with the changes to ice, the reduced fuel costs are now much more relevant.


I keep seeing people throw the bolded around. How do any of us know this?


Because multiple devs have stated that the POS code is a mess. It's a common response to the question of why can't you fix X in POSes. Given my understanding of programming and using POSes I suspect a large issue is corp roles which is another rumoured area of problem code.

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Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-06-12 17:00:48 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
jonnykefka wrote:
It's way down the line. The POS code is such a mess that they can't really do incremental updates, they have to design the complete new thing before anything else happens, and that requires a commitment of time and energy to the point where Unifex at one point said "We could have a whole expansion that was JUST new POSes."

So, they are working on it, but it's going to be a while before there is anything in place. In the interim, they're giving us "bandaid" fixes, like the personal CHAs and the upcoming personal SMAs. I categorize faction towers as another bandaid - with the changes to ice, the reduced fuel costs are now much more relevant.


I keep seeing people throw the bolded around. How do any of us know this?


Because multiple devs have stated that the POS code is a mess. It's a common response to the question of why can't you fix X in POSes. Given my understanding of programming and using POSes I suspect a large issue is corp roles which is another rumoured area of problem code.


As a long time CEO I can confirm that corp roles need to be taken out back and shot, repeatedly and without remorse.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-06-12 23:17:21 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Basically what it means is my faction towers may someday be worth a lot less.


FTFY

Given drop rates, and potential demand if fuel rises (especially for HS dwellers) I don't expect the prices to change that drastically anytime soon.

they are already worth about 500mil less that they were.

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