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Proposal - End censorship of one the largest EVE fan sites.

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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#241 - 2011-10-30 07:05:59 UTC
The Rebels of a fine poasting establishment K.com fight to return order and balance.

@EveManny

https://twitter.com/EveManny
Trusty Jutspezic
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#242 - 2011-10-30 07:06:32 UTC
Hey Manny remember that time you pissed off the russians and then jumped ship to PL and then you posted a bunch of one letter replies and CCP deleted them tomorrow.
Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#243 - 2011-10-30 07:18:35 UTC
Trusty Jutspezic wrote:
Hey Manny remember that time you pissed off the russians and then jumped ship to PL and then you posted a bunch of one letter replies and CCP deleted them tomorrow.


Remember that time when a pubbie like me didn't have to threadnaught CCP because Goons would already do it?

@EveManny

https://twitter.com/EveManny
Trusty Jutspezic
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#244 - 2011-10-30 07:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Trusty Jutspezic
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Trusty Jutspezic wrote:
Hey Manny remember that time you pissed off the russians and then jumped ship to PL and then you posted a bunch of one letter replies and CCP deleted them tomorrow.


Remember that time when a pubbie like me didn't have to threadnaught CCP because Goons would already do it?

nope I'm a regd11

PS Free kugu you used to be cool sreegs.

PPS I assume
Kharylien
Masked Rider Project
#245 - 2011-10-30 07:28:18 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
The website is filtered as is any other website which promotes EULA violating activities or engages in the distribution of malware once we become aware of it. It will remain so.


Let's assume for the sake of argument that this is absolutely, 100% true. (At least regarding intent; it's patently not true that websites which promote EULA-violating activities are censored, when sites like Eve News 24 even still get *featured*. Bearing in mind that I'm an intermittent reader of k.com and I've never seen anyone promoting EULA-violating activities; I've seen someone complain about having been banned from the game for botting, and that person received a general reaction from other posters of: "Haha, serves you right.")

At this particular juncture of the evolution of EVE and CCP, that shouldn't matter.

CCP is currently struggling to regain goodwill and a respectable public image after a spectacular PR cluster-fubar - one that has, for various reasons, reminded a lot of people of the T20 scandal.

The T20 scandal was actually the first time I ever heard of EVE online. I didn't know anyone who played it, and yet, because my friends are gamers, we were talking about how there turns out to be some kind of spaceships MMO where the GMs cheat in favour of particular groups of players and how terrible they must be and how much we didn't ever want to play that game because clearly it was a pile of suck from the top down.

I didn't start playing until 2010, and the only reason I did was that the Mittani mentioned in his column at Ten Ton Hammer that CCP had improved. That was enough to get me to try the game, at least, and I found I liked it.

But here we are, four years later, and K the man is still banned and k.com is censored on the forums.

This gives an awfully strong impression that CCP are still angry that they got caught, still resenting that it's harder for them to cheat.

We players aren't supposed to cheat. (I personally do not, and never have, and never would.) I fully support CCP's efforts to stop players cheating.

But I struggle to have faith that CCP are anywhere near as dedicated to keeping *themselves* from cheating, which sucks, because I want to have that faith. There's a number of GMs and devs who post on the forums who I totally fangirl. I want to squeal and put posters of Guard and Shadow on my wall. I don't want them, or anyone they work with, to be dishonest in EVE.

But as far as I can tell, it is, and remains, CCP's collective position that anyone who exposes cheating amongst the GMs and/or developers of EVE will be persona non grata forever. That it is the exposure, not the cheating, that made CCP angry.

That, right there, is a problem, and the only way to fix it is to let the censorship pass.
Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#246 - 2011-10-30 07:29:38 UTC
The path of the righteous poaster is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil dev's. Plus repped is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the inept through the valley of terrible forums, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost pubbies. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My K ugutsumen. And you will know My name is Manny when I lay My baddrunkpoasting upon thee.

@EveManny

https://twitter.com/EveManny
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#247 - 2011-10-30 07:33:30 UTC
>Make Overly Vague and General Accusations That Could Be Used Against 1/2 Of The :kugu: Internet

>Act High and Mighty Against A Genuine Olive Branch

>Be Screegs

Talk about PR Disaster "EVE Community Website Gets The :kugu: Off From CCP"
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#248 - 2011-10-30 07:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
CCP Sreegs wrote:
The website is filtered as is any other website which promotes EULA violating activities or engages in the distribution of malware once we become aware of it. It will remain so.


You are aware he runs his site as a business, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't making baseless accusations which can harm a business some form of actionable offense?

I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you can't make claims against someones livelyhood like that without proof, and not get your ass sued off in court.

Who knows, I could be wrong.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Alizandro Goderaski
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#249 - 2011-10-30 07:37:34 UTC
So why wasn't sreegs part of the 20%?
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#250 - 2011-10-30 07:42:37 UTC
Perseus Kallistratos wrote:
Kugus is terrrrrrible.

That being said it shouldn't be banned.

Page 12 snipa


The only terrible things on kugs are posters like you. Should stick to your blog tbh.

No sig.
Vicar2008
MCMLXXVI
#251 - 2011-10-30 07:45:26 UTC
Free Kugu
Dilarra Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#252 - 2011-10-30 08:00:51 UTC
I was not really interested in this whole discussion but the dev label on it peeked my interest.

Way to PR, Sreegs. Your posts in this thread gotta be the most jackass CCP posting I ever read.

And, after reading through the whole discussion, censoring a fairly active community website with accusations that you seem to have trouble backing up? Really? Get over yourself and just unban it.
Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#253 - 2011-10-30 08:11:16 UTC
CCP if it weren't for K.com and the participants of that message board I would have quit Eve long ago. After "18 months" "Fearless" and a myriad of other mis-steps by CCP there was nothing in Eve to hold my attention. K.com offers a extension to the interaction of in-game activities. These forums and the previous version have been so heavily censored for years. This leaves little room for actual discussion and the fun banter rabble rabble and downright cultivation of drama that drives players to want to login. K.com is a asset to CCP whether you will admit it or not.

CCP CEO has openly stated the Council of Stellar Mangement has been a positive thing for Eve. Without the efforts and whistle blowing of K.com's creator the CSM would have never came to light. Furthermore that same player body has served in positive capacity to assist you in catering to your clients and aattracting/retaining subs which is the very life blood of your organization. In reality you owe Mulla Nasrudin aka Kugutsumen a thank you for he has done so much to impact CCP in a positive manner.


Your repeated denial and censorship of K.com is a metaphore in itself for the dark days of CCP one that your CEO so avidly and publicly stated you have learned from and will not repeat.

@EveManny

https://twitter.com/EveManny
Naso Gomez
#254 - 2011-10-30 08:14:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Naso Gomez
I've never heard of this forum/website/community before and always wondered if there was a different forum that people went to to post things for eve. After reading all of this thread, I agree that removing the censorship would be a good thing. It happened 4 years ago... And like someone said earlier, the owner makes his lively hood of the website and removing traffic is like taking away his paycheck. It looks like a good forum anyway... free kugu.
Tomcat
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#255 - 2011-10-30 08:29:23 UTC
Manfred Sideous wrote:
The path of the righteous poaster is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil dev's. Plus repped is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the inept through the valley of terrible forums, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost pubbies. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My K ugutsumen. And you will know My name is Manny when I lay My baddrunkpoasting upon thee.



Post of the year. Hands down.
Prince Kobol
#256 - 2011-10-30 08:43:38 UTC
CCP should carry on with the censorship just to continue the sheer amount of tears that are being generated:)
Jita Alt666
#257 - 2011-10-30 08:55:06 UTC
Manfred Sideous wrote:
CCP if it weren't for K.com and the participants of that message board I would have quit Eve long ago. After "18 months" "Fearless" and a myriad of other mis-steps by CCP there was nothing in Eve to hold my attention. K.com offers a extension to the interaction of in-game activities. These forums and the previous version have been so heavily censored for years. This leaves little room for actual discussion and the fun banter rabble rabble and downright cultivation of drama that drives players to want to login. K.com is a asset to CCP whether you will admit it or not.

CCP CEO has openly stated the Council of Stellar Mangement has been a positive thing for Eve. Without the efforts and whistle blowing of K.com's creator the CSM would have never came to light. Furthermore that same player body has served in positive capacity to assist you in catering to your clients and aattracting/retaining subs which is the very life blood of your organization. In reality you owe Mulla Nasrudin aka ********** a thank you for he has done so much to impact CCP in a positive manner.


Your repeated denial and censorship of K.com is a metaphore in itself for the dark days of CCP one that your CEO so avidly and publicly stated you have learned from and will not repeat.


QFT
Memoocan
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#258 - 2011-10-30 09:36:04 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
CCP should carry on with the censorship just to continue the sheer amount of tears that are being generated:)



This thread is a gold mine for them.
Venetian Tar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#259 - 2011-10-30 10:49:15 UTC
One more for the Good Fight againt CCP.

I don't hate you, I'm just not necessarily excited about your existance.
Augustus Royal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2011-10-30 10:51:00 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:


It's not an argument or really even a subject that's up for discussion. I'm informing you why it's staying this way. How you feel I look is irrelevant.


Here comes the threadnaught... (I won't bother reminding you of EVE's most recent PR incident)