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AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#41 - 2013-06-07 15:11:37 UTC
ive been running null sites with skills at 4, tech 1 mods and no rigs in a covert ops and i very very rarely lose a can at all. That seems pretty fair to me. If i train to 5, switch to tech 2 mods and use the rigs im pretty sure i could blast through all the null sites in no time at all, takes a bit of thought and planning now but with the extra coherance ect it would be so quick the earnings would be even better and i dont think you could ever fail.

As far as i can tell the balance right now is great, you dont need full skills to make isk, the minigame is allot of fun despite being so simple. Definately one of the best additions to eve since wormholes.
Ivana Boom-Boom
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-06-07 15:51:03 UTC
I hear of some people doing well but I don't believe you can make a billion isk from hacking in lowsec in a few hours... First off. Second, I'm glad a dev confirmed it was bugged. Last, I read up on all of this... My skills are fine and I read the site that shows you where things are... I know about the cargo scanner of course... So..... Am I just unlucky??
Haulie Berry
#43 - 2013-06-07 15:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Ivana Boom-Boom wrote:
I hear of some people doing well but I don't believe you can make a billion isk from hacking in lowsec in a few hours... First off. Second, I'm glad a dev confirmed it was bugged. Last, I read up on all of this... My skills are fine and I read the site that shows you where things are...


http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZ

^ less than 3 hours in low sec.

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I know about the cargo scanner of course... So..... Am I just unlucky??


No, you're not unlucky. It's quite obvious that you're just clicking cans at random in an attempt to get as many as possible, even after reading neural boost.

It's not even remotely hard to grab everything of value from most sites. I'm frequently MWDing toward the next can long before the junk containers have despawned.
Tom Vaille
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-06-07 16:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Vaille
Yea, I'm seeing some of those...But not nearly as many as everyone else claims. Your cargohold there would take me days to get at my current rate...And I read the site that tells you what's in what container.

(note: i'm also not the only one who has been getting either bad luck and/or the same experience - so i'm trying to gather a sense for how many other people are in the same boat)
cheese monkey
Chilil-out
#45 - 2013-06-07 16:49:14 UTC
+1

always hated the idea of chasing down cans.

it is dumb.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#46 - 2013-06-07 17:38:14 UTC
cheese monkey wrote:
+1

always hated the idea of chasing down cans.

it is dumb.

Translation:

Thinking is bad.

Actually needing to do something to get a reward is bad.

Silver platters are good.

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Haulie Berry
#47 - 2013-06-07 17:38:56 UTC
Tom Vaille wrote:
Yea, I'm seeing some of those...But not nearly as many as everyone else claims. Your cargohold there would take me days to get at my current rate...And I read the site that tells you what's in what container.

(note: i'm also not the only one who has been getting either bad luck and/or the same experience - so i'm trying to gather a sense for how many other people are in the same boat)



Well. You're not articulating your issue very well.

What are you having trouble with, exactly? Let's split this into three discrete steps.

A. Finding sites/signatures at all. Are you not coming across sites at all? If not, consider moving to a less populated area.

B. Finding cans that have good loot in them. Do you find sites, but when you cargo scan the cans, there's just nothing noteworthy there? This is basically the only "luck" related aspect of it.

C. Grabbing the correct containers. For MOST cans, it is trivial to grab ALL of the "good" loot. I've only ever missed anything on fairly "rich" sites, like certain relic sites with 8+ stacks of salvage.

If you're both finding sites, and finding cans with loot on cargo scan, but not actually receiving loot, it isn't an issue of luck.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#48 - 2013-06-07 18:49:36 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
This past Tuesday and Wednesday I was exploring/probing/hacking. (Solo)

In Highsec (0.5) - 4 hours netted me just over 675Million
In Nullsec - 4 hours netted me just over 1.24Billion

I had a problem accessing some cans due to them not being accessible, alas I did not log this as a problem but will do so the very next instant I come across it.

I'm not the best hotshot explorer, but hell man, this is easy ISK.

Laugh if you like (I know I did), I used a Gnosis for all the sites. No cloak fitted.
Only 2 combat sites in highsec where I switched to a Caracal, for the reason we know that BC's are not allowed into DED3's and 4s. The Caracal creamed those sites.

So far, I love the new exploration, really I do. Just a few minor issues (like accessing some of the cans), other than that, I would probably have made double the ISK in both highsec and null had I taken a buddy with me.

Thanks CCP, this truly rocks :)


Those numbers seem a bit high. The null ones I believe if you were in a region that is semi-uninhabited or whatever. The high sec numbers are out of whack though. Did you escalate a pled or something? I ask because those numbers aren't sustainable.

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Haulie Berry
#49 - 2013-06-07 18:52:27 UTC
Garresh wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
This past Tuesday and Wednesday I was exploring/probing/hacking. (Solo)

In Highsec (0.5) - 4 hours netted me just over 675Million
In Nullsec - 4 hours netted me just over 1.24Billion

I had a problem accessing some cans due to them not being accessible, alas I did not log this as a problem but will do so the very next instant I come across it.

I'm not the best hotshot explorer, but hell man, this is easy ISK.

Laugh if you like (I know I did), I used a Gnosis for all the sites. No cloak fitted.
Only 2 combat sites in highsec where I switched to a Caracal, for the reason we know that BC's are not allowed into DED3's and 4s. The Caracal creamed those sites.

So far, I love the new exploration, really I do. Just a few minor issues (like accessing some of the cans), other than that, I would probably have made double the ISK in both highsec and null had I taken a buddy with me.

Thanks CCP, this truly rocks :)


Those numbers seem a bit high. The null ones I believe if you were in a region that is semi-uninhabited or whatever. The high sec numbers are out of whack though. Did you escalate a pled or something? I ask because those numbers aren't sustainable.


Yeah, those are probably not values you could get consistently, especially the high sec amount. The nullsec value... maybe, but that kind of looks like lucky-faction-tower-BPC drop.

I seem to be able to sustain 100m/hr in null and low, so far, on very mundane loot (salvage, decryptors, non-faction tower BPCs), but I've only done about 8 hours worth of exploration in total on TQ, so I wouldn't say I'm quite statistical significance, yet.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#50 - 2013-06-07 19:05:21 UTC
Ivana Boom-Boom wrote:
I hear of some people doing well but I don't believe you can make a billion isk from hacking in lowsec in a few hours... First off. Second, I'm glad a dev confirmed it was bugged. Last, I read up on all of this... My skills are fine and I read the site that shows you where things are... I know about the cargo scanner of course... So..... Am I just unlucky??


In contradiction to my previous post...you totally can, but its not sustainable. I make about 150 mil/hr with level 4 skills and losing some cans. But I watched a 100 mil can blow up in my face last night, so once I get hacking 5 its going to go even higher...

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Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#51 - 2013-06-07 19:10:53 UTC
Actually, while we're epeening, what racial loot were you hunting? My rates with with mjnmatar angel decryptors, and that looks like it'll come out to 160mil/hr with max skills in null.

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Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-06-07 19:20:04 UTC
what the people telling you they made a 1B so easy are leaving out it the fact they got a faction tower BPC
Galatea Galilei
Nihilistic Mystics
#53 - 2013-06-08 05:59:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Galatea Galilei
Haulie Berry wrote:
The pay for doing it right is much higher than before odyssey

Depends on your arcade/twitch game skills. If you have good hand-eye coordination, yeah you can grab up all the juiciest containers and make out like a bandit. If you don't, you get three cans of scrap and everything else goes poof. Exploration is now a game only for those with the dexterity for it... for people like me, the rewards have been nerfed into the ground.
Haulie Berry
#54 - 2013-06-08 06:06:46 UTC
Galatea Galilei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
The pay for doing it right is much higher than before odyssey

Depends on your arcade/twitch game skills. If you have good hand-eye coordination, yeah you can grab up all the juiciest containers and make out like a bandit. If you don't, you get three cans of scrap and everything else goes poof. Exploration is now a game only for those with the dexterity for it... for people like me, the rewards have been nerfed into the ground.



It doesn't really require any more dexterity than interacting with the rest of the Eve UI, imo.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#55 - 2013-06-08 07:15:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Garresh
Galatea Galilei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
The pay for doing it right is much higher than before odyssey

Depends on your arcade/twitch game skills. If you have good hand-eye coordination, yeah you can grab up all the juiciest containers and make out like a bandit. If you don't, you get three cans of scrap and everything else goes poof. Exploration is now a game only for those with the dexterity for it... for people like me, the rewards have been nerfed into the ground.



AT LAST, MY YEARS OF NINJA SALVAGING AND EXPLORATION HAVE COME TOGETHER. MY TIME HAS COME.

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Charley en Cedoulain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-06-10 19:24:39 UTC
In low and nullsec I average about 100 mil/hr. I ran 8 sites last night, 6 relic, 2 data and my wallet is sitting a little under 1 billion isk after selling everything. The t1 BPC's are going downhill quickly, was able to get 1 T2 rig BPC that sold really well and I lost a True Sansha POS module BPC that was worth around 200 mil due to hacking failure. I wouldn't waste much time in high sec due to overpopulation and also NPC nullsec doesn't seem to have anything else but combat sites either. All of my exploration so far has been done in a T1 Heron with level 3 skills, only lose a can every now and then, think I lost 2 cans total last night. New exploration is definitely more profitable than it seemed it was prior to odyssey.
Diablo Aeglaeca
Dark Alliance
#57 - 2013-06-10 19:56:42 UTC
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.



the data cores do drop. I have 3 toons passively researching for data cores, the prices for the cores has dropped as well since this release. People are getting quick, easy access to items that people had to train countless hours for and grind countless missions for.

honestly, CCP broke R&D agents. can I have my skillpoints back please?!!! X
Mr Mutombo
Zulu Uprising
#58 - 2013-06-10 20:01:21 UTC
Garresh wrote:
Agreed. Lowsec scanning is terrible now because of how many people are doing it. CCP screwed us by improving exploration, so now we can't be the special little snowflakes we used to be. Clearly Odyssey is a failure.

(go to null)


not different there, fanboy
Haulie Berry
#59 - 2013-06-10 20:02:48 UTC
Diablo Aeglaeca wrote:
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.



the data cores do drop. I have 3 toons passively researching for data cores, the prices for the cores has dropped as well since this release. People are getting quick, easy access to items that people had to train countless hours for and grind countless missions for.

honestly, CCP broke R&D agents. can I have my skillpoints back please?!!! X



....are you slow?

Datacore prices have been in the gutter since they were added to FW LP stores.

Also, exploration sites have ALWAYS dropped datacores.

Also, no, your skillpoints will not be refunded. The skills are still VERY useful.
Diablo Aeglaeca
Dark Alliance
#60 - 2013-06-10 20:05:22 UTC
Garresh wrote:
It's only ruined if your bad. I'm sorry, but there's really no other response here. I made a billion isk in the last 2 days, just playing for a few hours after work. The new system adds some much needed interaction, and means I don't have to watch netflix to retain sanity while I'm clearing rats and waiting out my hacking cycles. I loved scanning, but the exploration sites themselves were **** before. Now they're excellent. The hacking minigame isn't amazing, but it's a nice first step and I like it because it actually does have a bit of strategy. It's like a mini roguelike game.

So not only do we not have to deal with boring tedious rats in sites, but our ability to clear sites quickly is based on some degree of personal skill. Plus with good prioritizing of cans and a cargo scanner, you can get 100% of high value loot from every site, and you don't even need to click quickly. My process for a site is cargo scan it, prioritize my cans, then when the spew happens, I casually look through for the cans of choice. Sometimes I'll waste the first 5 secodns sifting through, before clicking one can. Most sites I get all the loot I want in 2-3 clicks. If I'm feeling antsy though, I'll spam click after that, but it's usually crap, and only worth it if you want to up your income by 5% on relic sites.

Oh, and as a solo hacker, our available space went from about 800 lowsec systems, to an additional 3200 nullsec systems. That's a 400% increase in available exploration space.

There's literally no downside for the solo explorer this patch. Now I can enjoy my PvE and exploration even more, and get rich doing it, which means more time do what my other fun time of solo PvP. It's a great time for a solo pilot. Oh, and the firetail get buffed.



due to loot item dilution you will not experience this amount of isk take home since this past weekend. too much supply now, I hope that you sincerely cashed in your items for isk because your "loot value estimation" in your cargo is likely to be 50% of what that estimate used to be