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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-09 05:55:04 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Go into market settings... "highlight my orders" :p
Thank you.
Rawbert Gzon
#22 - 2013-06-09 09:48:56 UTC
I love the brainless .01 isk idiots. They make trading so easy and profitable.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#23 - 2013-06-09 10:00:24 UTC
Rawbert Gzon wrote:
I love the brainless .01 isk idiots. They make trading so easy and profitable.


Would love to hear how you "defeat" these brainless idiots :)

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Rawbert Gzon
#24 - 2013-06-09 10:04:57 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Rawbert Gzon wrote:
I love the brainless .01 isk idiots. They make trading so easy and profitable.


Would love to hear how you "defeat" these brainless idiots :)


I bet you would.

Cool
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-06-09 11:48:39 UTC
I expect it's quite simple:

Drag the price down with lots of low bids, then buy all the stock.
Sell stock at other hub.
Profit!
Rawbert Gzon
#26 - 2013-06-09 12:34:19 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
I expect it's quite simple:

Drag the price down with lots of low bids, then buy all the stock.
Sell stock at other hub.
Profit!



I'll give you a hint; razor sharp margins and a huge number of trades. No need to sell at other hubs.

Don't play the .01 ISK game. It's just stupid.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-09 12:57:32 UTC
Rawbert Gzon wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
I expect it's quite simple:

Drag the price down with lots of low bids, then buy all the stock.
Sell stock at other hub.
Profit!



I'll give you a hint; razor sharp margins and a huge number of trades. No need to sell at other hubs.

Don't play the .01 ISK game. It's just stupid.


I gave up on it. Now I adjust my orders every now and then. They tend to tick over at a nice clip so no point in getting stressy about it, especially if you're earning somewhere else instead of sitting looking at the market screen.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#28 - 2013-06-09 13:17:48 UTC
Rawbert Gzon wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Rawbert Gzon wrote:
I love the brainless .01 isk idiots. They make trading so easy and profitable.


Would love to hear how you "defeat" these brainless idiots :)


I bet you would.

Cool


As i thought, big words with nothing to back them ;)
If we talk seriously, i dont see anything more profitable then .01 rapidly. Im talking station trading only, sure theres other methods, but nothing better then this over time if you focus station only.
If we take the exact number of trades and do your "razor sharp" margins against .01 fight. After a year .01 will have more isk.
What do you think?

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#29 - 2013-06-09 14:14:22 UTC
heh, people really hate 0.01ers eh?

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Rawbert Gzon
#30 - 2013-06-09 21:07:06 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Rawbert Gzon wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Rawbert Gzon wrote:
I love the brainless .01 isk idiots. They make trading so easy and profitable.


Would love to hear how you "defeat" these brainless idiots :)


I bet you would.

Cool


As i thought, big words with nothing to back them ;)
If we talk seriously, i dont see anything more profitable then .01 rapidly. Im talking station trading only, sure theres other methods, but nothing better then this over time if you focus station only.
If we take the exact number of trades and do your "razor sharp" margins against .01 fight. After a year .01 will have more isk.
What do you think?


I've said enough already, it's not like I'm going to teach people my method of station trading. Blink I'm just saying that there are methods that are a lot better and less time consuming than the .01 ISK game.

However, let me put it like this. Would you rather login in ten times a day to undercut another .01:er and hope that he/she won't undercut you by .01 in 5 mins or would you rather login in once or twice everyday and be the one in control of the price and the trade?

If you got time and if you're like a bot who can sit in the market 24/7 and undercut everyone by .01 ISK then by all means play the .01 ISK game. I'm not saying that it doesn't work cause it does but it's the stupid method of station trading. Anyone can do it and pretty much everyone is doing it but you can't really beat people by doing exactly the same thing as them.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#31 - 2013-06-09 22:47:15 UTC
Or, you can update a few times a day and still 0.01 :)

Its not an either/or situation :)

There are as many different styles of trading as there are traders.

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Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-09 22:59:32 UTC
The market needs 0.01 iskers otherwise you'd have a market place full of people 'winning' with their razor thin margins. What?

You can knock us 0.01 iskers all you like but the truth is your trading style only works because we exist, because without us you couldn't trade as you do, but without you we 0.01 iskers would make ever more profit. Big smile

Fly safe. o7

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.
Cawyn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-06-10 01:07:19 UTC
Stigman Zuwadza wrote:
The market needs 0.01 iskers otherwise you'd have a market place full of people 'winning' with their razor thin margins. What?

You can knock us 0.01 iskers all you like but the truth is your trading style only works because we exist, because without us you couldn't trade as you do, but without you we 0.01 iskers would make ever more profit. Big smile

Fly safe. o7

That trading style works because people generally won't sell goods below buying price. Accepting thinner margins and under-/over-cutting the competition will get you more sales, regardless whether the other guy is 0.01 isking or not.


Granted, if even a fraction of those 0.01 iskers set out to do arbitrage trading beyond their own station, competition would be a lot stiffer. But as a whole, 0.01 iskers provide no real service to the market.
Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-10 04:07:19 UTC
Quote:
That trading style works because people generally won't sell goods below buying price. Accepting thinner margins and under-/over-cutting the competition will get you more sales, regardless whether the other guy is 0.01 isking or not.

Granted, if even a fraction of those 0.01 iskers set out to do arbitrage trading beyond their own station, competition would be a lot stiffer. But as a whole, 0.01 iskers provide no real service to the market.

I think we can all agree that if you go and look at the 8000+ lines you will see evidence of 0.01 iskers, whether its a 5 isk item or a 5b isk item, this could imply that we are the majority and thus the better trading style. Big smile

I've traded long enough to get the feeling that traders that like to play the choppity chop game are just butthurt 0.01 isker wannabes, they're traders that don't understand the products they're trading in and their ADD tries to expidite their trading rush. Now, maybe I'll a little off-track with that comment but its probably true of many of the non-0.01 iskers. Big smile

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.
Cawyn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-10 08:24:54 UTC
0.01 isking certainly requires the least intellectual effort. I guess that actually does make it the best trading style for the majority of players.

Time (and minerals) is free, after all.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#36 - 2013-06-10 10:29:11 UTC
Cawyn wrote:
0.01 isking certainly requires the least intellectual effort. I guess that actually does make it the best trading style for the majority of players.

Time (and minerals) is free, after all.


If you will call eve players stupid, you take away the term we use to describe other mmos players.
So now we need to find a new way to call wow players, can we agree on "degenerate monkeys"? :D

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#37 - 2013-06-10 11:07:52 UTC
Cawyn wrote:
0.01 isking certainly requires the least intellectual effort. I guess that actually does make it the best trading style for the majority of players.

Time (and minerals) is free, after all.



0.01ing is the end of a process ^^

Sure, some may just pick random item and 0.01 it, but then, some do that with your method too....

I am never sure why people are so eager to insist that their way of playing is superior....because, here is the scary thing, well, 2 actually.

Those 0.01ers on minerals may be your deep cut competitors.

If everyone deep undercut (which, lets face it, random mouse scroll is hardly more challenging that single mouse scroll), then your razor sharp margins would be....less sharp, or non existant

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Mari Hata
Main Street Crafts and Goods
#38 - 2013-06-10 11:23:02 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Cawyn wrote:
0.01 isking certainly requires the least intellectual effort. I guess that actually does make it the best trading style for the majority of players.

Time (and minerals) is free, after all.


If you will call eve players stupid, you take away the term we use to describe other mmos players.
So now we need to find a new way to call wow players, can we agree on "degenerate monkeys"? :D


One is always someone elses' stupid. Deal with it and keep on 0.01 isking Blink

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Jivvust
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-10 21:30:25 UTC
I keep seeing all these little bunnies thinking they win by cutting margins to single digits. Getting more sales, eh. 30 times more sales, to compensate for the "razor sharp margins" versus the margins 0.01 iskers get? While still competing with other little bunny "winners"? Roll

Remember what happened the last time you had no cushion on an item going for it's weekly stroll down the price alley. That will happen again. And again.

Good luck with the razor, don't cut yourselves.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#40 - 2013-06-13 19:30:00 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Can the person currently engaged in 0.01 chicanery against my orders in Amarr please cease and desist. It's no longer funny.


Thanks.


I am sure he would ask the same of you. Why not try and drop your price by a meaningful amount and earn the sale while he waits for prices to go back up?