Market Discussions

I want to do something productive with my ISK, but the problem is I just don't know what the ****. I'm trying to think of an arrangement that would get me the help I'm looking for.

I'm hoping to find someone who will give me market tips direction so I can turn some profit with my ISK. 20% of profits forever is a very literal figure. Full APIs of all my accounts, for transparency (I have nothing to hide, or exciting, gameplay or spending or comms)...

All I want to do is PLEX my account subscriptions.

I'm currently waiting to sell 12 rigged carriers for about 3B each. Past that, if they sell, I don't know what the hell to do, and unless it's a very obvious beneficial change in a dev blog, I'm unable to interpret subtle market changes. It's easy to say "just get better at EVE" but I am one of those people who has a very hard time grasping nuances of things, including something as vast as EVE.

I don't know, maybe I'm just a conceptual type person... bottom line is I need help!

as of a few weeks ago, I had just under 20 bil in assets, in the way of faction ships and mods. I was--I am--a high sec dwelling, casual mission runner. 12 bil of that was from PLEX packs over the years, and aside from a low sec accident with a marauder and a couple faction battleships, (horribad fit and I had no business going in low--I was bored) I haven't lost ships and I've done diligent things like producing caldari navy LP store items and whatnot.

But I also have six accounts, and I feel like it's a point of responsibility that I stop subbing out of pocket.

I was brought into EVE by my close friends who are also my housemates, but when it comes to market they have no idea and don't use it except to purchase things. When I brought up the topic of growing my ISK, one of them practically begged that I go half on a Titan. the thought of that strikes me as wasteful and foolish. hah I've been avoiding him lately, because of it.

20%. monthly, annually, I don't know. due to the changing nature of EVE I also think it's important that it's ongoing. Whether that's too low, I have no idea. I'm willing to go with anything that allows me to play via purchasing PLEX off market.

If it wasn't clear, I flatly admit I put hours into EVE, but nothing is "clicking" for me. I mostly enjoy looking at pretty space backdrops and pwning lvl4 mission NPCs.

I need help, and I'll do anything--haul stuff, move ships, maintain POSes, be your cyno *****... whatever I could do for you.

First thing I would work on is, do you need six accounts? If you're going to plex all those, that's over 3 billion ISK a month at current prices. There's a nice profit right there.

First things first, head over to SCC-lounge chat room and just hange out for a good while (preferably a few months)

Don't listen to people when they tell you WHAT to buy and especially LOTS of it, else you assume the risk, welcome to eve...

2nd, I notice you lost a marauder, therefore you very likely have very good standings, for atleast one of the 4 factions, wherever you have those really good+8's standings head over to that factions tradehub and set up shop, BUT FIRST!

Train all skills that lower taxes and fee's 5, margin trading 5 and at-least 50 orders (~100-150 preferred), you can flip that 35B isk perfectly under those conditions, laughably easy and lucrative.

Forget about hauling and other crapp, go right for station trading, order fills at 1B isk sell item at 1.05B iskor whatever, with excellent standings, time on your hands and perfect broker type skills, you will kick ass period

6 accounts man... that's 3.2B isk in plex per month... just want to mention, that's definitely something to think about.

Best of luck, You can always mail me if, I have my thumb on the incoming mails pretty instantly.

Thank you very much for replying. I don't know how I managed to take a nap in the meantime, I was quite anxious.

o7 Alex Grison.

Adunh Slavy, the six accounts is mostly due to my ADD nature and craving the input of five monitors in my face--its what I consider fun. the most recent and sixth account was to hold a newly acquired un-skilled 2003 character, who I'm training and planning to sell at the end of the year. a Nyx sitter perhaps. it was a vanity purchase I thought would be nice, but I don't like the name very much.

as for the remaining five accounts, I'm attached to them being in space at the same time. the renewals won't go into full swing (concurrently) until December, so there's some time to ramp myself up. I didn't become ISK minded until recently--when I decided to make use of the capital rig change, and/so I'm optimistic about starting with 30B, but I'm still not sure what progress will look like.

Thank you Kor'el Izia, I am glad you found my post entertaining, as I'm not afraid to play the fool and I've had my moments. I will look into Red Frog and PI for productive things to do outside of market.

Kara Books you're hot like Sandra Bullock. also, I will lurk SCC-lounge. I will finish up the trade skills from IV to V on my market character.

I'm very very interested in flipping ISK like a baws. That's very generous of you to offer to answer questions via PM, I promise I will not bother you unless it's important.

X ATM092, my mains are not too far from having all the skills I'd like on them, and I may cut myself off sooner than later to use the training slots for characters to sell. I've noticed in the character bazaar that capital ship sitters seem to bring in enough ISK to pay for an account via PLEX. a 1:1, passive game-time for game-time activity such as character growing is an excellent Idea.

yes, completely. thank you Tinu Moorhsum, that was a very easy read.

the activity my mind turns to is lvl4 faction navy missions--I haven't tested the standings hit mechanics relating to remote rep logi pilots, but if I can get away with remote repping the shooter without taking standings hits on the logistics pilots, I think that would be my first choice for active gameplay ISK income.

Actually, I think I'll do that with the 2003 character: do the easy train into a nightmare and farm faction navy missions (and take the standings hits as the shooter). I did that with my mains and ended up with a quarter bil a day, but had to stop after my faction standings reached -5.


wait... dad? you play EVE?

if you have two or more screens, you can easily make 100m/hr with missioning. that's one saturday a month to PLEX two accounts.
if you insist on joining the market game, i would advise you to start ou tin industry. researching the production costs and processes of items gets you a feel for the market and improves your spreadsheet-fu. knowledge is the key to seeing profit opportunities and you will not get that knowledge by playing .02 ISK games in jita.

Have a plan B, your going to hit a point where getting the isk/h will feel like a chore. I can tell I know how to make billions a month but to do so is annoying. Heck I have purposely crashed markets to just take them over completely for a short while so I could make a profit. Annoyed people with 1isk games till they wouldn't go into my market anymore (I'd update probably 20x or more an hour, I just have eve open when watching a movie, studying, etc and look up occasionally and change the price so they never beat me unless they sold at a loss which I took as a sign of defeat). Dabbled in industrial, and almost everything else but mining and 0.0 at some point in my career. Though most of that was done all at once about a year ago, got to be a chore so I stopped doing that.

So I scaled down all my operations to the point where I do almost nothing and just make enough to get a plex once 2 months at bare minimum. And then supplement that with a few hours of missioning to make up the difference if I want to keep going for more than 1 month in a row. Though I find that Eve holds my interest for a few weeks than I lose interest, so I just setup my final orders, production, etc before sub expires and come back with a new set of things to sale when I get back and try to leave with enough cash for a PLEX or have one ready to go.

I've had similar experiences. About a year after I started Eve, my brother left me his account to maintain for a while. I had just about figured out how to start making a living and had PLEXed my account for the first time. My brother's main had a totally different skill set (mining). So I set to figure out a way to make both accounts self sustaining.

It took a month of training and I suddenly had 2 accounts that required 2-3 days of playtime a month to PLEX. I thus kept adding accounts, till at one stage I was maintaining 12 accounts. This was getting out of control, as with even 2 days per account, I was working all month. Fortunately, the summer of love happened, and I unsubbed all but one account, and suddenly my life was much better.

Now I'm happy with 2 accounts, which are a breeze to PLEX, and serve all my needs in Eve.

I'm not sure why I started writing this post, and whether it has any bearing on your situation. And I've forgotten the sage advice that I wanted to pass on.

Ah, yes: You leaped before looking, and now you're screwed.

it's not about some buddhist sense of self fulfillment that you should try industry but to get a feel for the undercurrents of the market. the more you know about which item is made of how much of what and how many people buy it and where, the more opportunities you will notice, with or without patch day speculation.

why thank you, that was exactly the look i was going for.