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Navy Dominix doesn't get drone optimal range and tracking speed bonus
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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-06 08:12:13 UTC
Bigg Gun wrote:
I wonder what do people put in the turret slots of regular domi, do you just stick AC's in there?


I use five T2 heavy beams and a drone link augment. I thought of fitting ACs, but I was short on money and didn't want to take any off of my currently fitted ships. Also not having to worry about ammo is nice. They function well enough for picking off incoming frigates while my sentries take out the larger stuff that I'm happy with them for now.
Doed
Tyrfing Industries
#22 - 2013-06-06 08:57:07 UTC
Navy Domi is amog the best Lvl 4 farmers out there, if not the best for Serp/Gurista, possibly beaten by Navy Raven and Navy Phoon after CM buff, taking away the turret damage bonus would make this ship alot worse for missioning than it currently is.

Give it a slight pimpage and it boasts 1354 dps with CN AM 425mm rails and Garde's with an optimal of 50km and a drone control range of 84km, Wardens and LR ammo it still boasts 950+ dps at max drone control range

Oh, and it allows MWD to be fitted which makes it break 1K M/S aswell when traveling is needed.
Perihelion Olenard
#23 - 2013-06-06 11:12:30 UTC
Bigg Gun wrote:
I wonder what do people put in the turret slots of regular domi, do you just stick AC's in there?

You can put any turret platform you want in there as well as any non-hardpoint modules. I'm sick of people saying autocannons every time there are unbonused turret hardpoints on a ship.
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#24 - 2013-06-06 11:46:19 UTC
you put cruise missiles on navy phoon???
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-06 19:32:43 UTC
DeAira Skord wrote:
As a noob that hasn't trained large hybrid turrets, I also would have preferred the drone bonus.

Oh well.



If you are a noob without large hybrids, you shouldn't even be looking at a Navy Domi yet.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#26 - 2013-06-06 20:05:02 UTC
Flew the Navy Domi before the patch. Plan on flying the navy domi after the patch.

I'm VERY glad that they are no longer two identical ships and have rolls that are unique - rather than the Navy just being better all around.

You can still put out 600-700 DPS with a regular domi and throw reps in to spider tank; it'll make an awesome shield ship now that I don't have to worry about throwing 2-3 omni's in the mid slots. Just food for thought.
Vexidious
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-06-06 20:32:38 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:

You can still put out 600-700 DPS with a regular domi and throw reps in to spider tank; it'll make an awesome shield ship now that I don't have to worry about throwing 2-3 omni's in the mid slots. Just food for thought.


With good Drone skills, a regular Domi can easily put out 650 dps with Bouncer IIs with an optimal of 120+km. Garde IIs can do 750 DPS with an optimal of 60+km. Throw in a MJD and you can do L4s without any tank at all. Maybe not the fastest way to do L4s, but its about as close to AFK missioning as is possible now a days.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#28 - 2013-06-06 20:50:32 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Navy Domi is patently superior for missioning purposes. It gets the hybrid damage bonus.

-Liang


allot of people dont even bother to put on 350's... thier loss... but if i am missionisng give me a cruise raven..

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-06-07 15:13:07 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
DeAira Skord wrote:
As a noob that hasn't trained large hybrid turrets, I also would have preferred the drone bonus.

Oh well.



If you are a noob without large hybrids, you shouldn't even be looking at a Navy Domi yet.


Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Did you even read the OP?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-07 16:31:11 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
Bigg Gun wrote:
I wonder what do people put in the turret slots of regular domi, do you just stick AC's in there?

You can put any turret platform you want in there as well as any non-hardpoint modules. I'm sick of people saying autocannons every time there are unbonused turret hardpoints on a ship.


I'll grant you that any turret will work on those hardpoints, but autocannons do have the advantages of being able to add a selectable form of secondary DPS and not chewing up capacitor energy (as well as being fairly forgiving with fitting requirements, as opposed to artillery). Yeah, you could go with lasers, blasters, or railguns, but if you need to worry about capacitor for the purposes of tank and mobility, and want extra DPS out of those turret slots, AC's aren't a bad option.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-07 16:48:26 UTC
ACs are a terrible option, most stuff will be dead before it reaches you and if anything does reach you it's likely to be small and fast and ACs won't track them anyway.

Art of Explosions
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-06-07 17:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
I feel it is worth pointing out that beam lasers have the best raw DPS and tracking of all the long range guns and they are now easier on the grid and cap than they used to be. Sure they are only EM/Themal damage but if you are shooting at Sansha or Blood Raiders they are a perfectly viable option to go along with your sentry drones.

I think any of the long range guns work fine on the new standard Dominix as companions to sentry drones. It just depends on what you are shooting at and what you have trained.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-06-07 17:37:54 UTC
DeAira Skord wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
DeAira Skord wrote:
As a noob that hasn't trained large hybrid turrets, I also would have preferred the drone bonus.

Oh well.



If you are a noob without large hybrids, you shouldn't even be looking at a Navy Domi yet.


Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Did you even read the OP?



Hmm. OP is talking about the changes (or lack there of) of the Navy Domi.

You mention you would have preferred the drone bonus (I made the assumption you are talking about the Navy domi as well).

I made the comment that a noob really shouldn't be even looking at a Navy domi until you are ready to fit it properly (regardless of its bonuses). You would in effect be using an overly expensive ship, and instead of taking advantage of its extra power, you would be using its extra slots etc to mask your lack of skills. Generally a bad combination.


What did I miss?
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-08 05:11:11 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
DeAira Skord wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
DeAira Skord wrote:
As a noob that hasn't trained large hybrid turrets, I also would have preferred the drone bonus.

Oh well.



If you are a noob without large hybrids, you shouldn't even be looking at a Navy Domi yet.


Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Did you even read the OP?



Hmm. OP is talking about the changes (or lack there of) of the Navy Domi.

You mention you would have preferred the drone bonus (I made the assumption you are talking about the Navy domi as well).

I made the comment that a noob really shouldn't be even looking at a Navy domi until you are ready to fit it properly (regardless of its bonuses). You would in effect be using an overly expensive ship, and instead of taking advantage of its extra power, you would be using its extra slots etc to mask your lack of skills. Generally a bad combination.


What did I miss?


A while back I flew my Navy Dominix without any turret skills. I had DLA's and tractor beams. Of course I had max drone and tanking skills since I don't believe in flying a battleship without at least T2 tank and since T1 sentries kind of suck so I waited for T2.

Now I have four T2 350's ... The other slots are DLA's. I armor tank so after three drone damage amps there is no room for magstabs. The gun DPS is not even worth talking about. I could shield tank, fit magstabs and get crazy DPS but I dont use my Domi to blast through missions.

Tell me my fit sucks and I'll say you're right but it does what I want. I fly my navy domi when I'm tired and want a bit more tank for more relaxed play. When I want to tear though missions fast I'll fly a Nightmare or Machariel... I might even try my CNR since it got buffed.


I'm pretty much stuck to setting training and posting in the forms for this month due to RL issues... It's so frustrating with all the ship changes and I'm unable to really test them out!

Thanks guys for the input! One thing I do like about Eve is the community. Eve players are so nice they even hang out at stargates for hours to test out other players fits and advise them on what they need to change! What game as such awesome players!
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-09 13:22:23 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Bigg Gun wrote:
I wonder what do people put in the turret slots of regular domi, do you just stick AC's in there?


civilian guns for agro? If I ever do fly a domi for PVE it will be a support boat following another character adding 800 mostly attention free dps, to nearly any range required in missions, so I'd have remote reps and energy transfers on it, with a drone link augmentor or two.


Good luck with that one. They changed NPCs so they're really nasty now and will switch targets like sleepers. I did a couple L4s with a raven/domi pair and struggled when they'd suddenly swap targets. Lost about 10 drones too and probably more if I didn't constantly recall/deploy them.
mama guru
Yazatas.
#36 - 2013-06-09 14:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: mama guru
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Because the navy domi is not the same as the regular domi. The navy domi retains it's hybrid weapon bonus making it one of the highest DPS close range brawlers out there.

If you want the drone bonus what's stopping you from using the regular domi?



Making it a gimmick peice of **** blasterboat you mean? T1 and navy mega owns the navy dominix on a stick in terms of gank per isk invested. Anytime.


I haven't had a chance to test it on TQ yet but the new T1 domi can push a passive tank and still break 1k dps at close range with rediculous damage application.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#37 - 2013-06-09 15:20:00 UTC
For gank per isk invested sure, the regular Domi will do better than the N.Domi, but you can get quite abit more projection and dps from a Navy Domi if you invest in a proper shield tank, not an insane amount, you can get an N.Domi that deals 1k dps to lock range with Bouncers or or 1.2k dps to 56km with Gardes for around 700+mil. You lose out on the Domis tracking bonus but that's a significant amount of extra dps
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2013-06-09 23:01:03 UTC
mama guru wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Because the navy domi is not the same as the regular domi. The navy domi retains it's hybrid weapon bonus making it one of the highest DPS close range brawlers out there.

If you want the drone bonus what's stopping you from using the regular domi?



Making it a gimmick peice of **** blasterboat you mean? T1 and navy mega owns the navy dominix on a stick in terms of gank per isk invested. Anytime.


I haven't had a chance to test it on TQ yet but the new T1 domi can push a passive tank and still break 1k dps at close range with rediculous damage application.


I'm pretty sure the noob ships win any gank per ISK invested arguments.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Josilin du Guesclin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-10 11:16:27 UTC
Bigg Gun wrote:
you put cruise missiles on navy phoon???
Yup. Saves the effort of having to move.

More seriously, the applied DPS is about the same as with Torps because you don't lose time closing.
mama guru
Yazatas.
#40 - 2013-06-10 15:20:37 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
mama guru wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Because the navy domi is not the same as the regular domi. The navy domi retains it's hybrid weapon bonus making it one of the highest DPS close range brawlers out there.

If you want the drone bonus what's stopping you from using the regular domi?



Making it a gimmick peice of **** blasterboat you mean? T1 and navy mega owns the navy dominix on a stick in terms of gank per isk invested. Anytime.


I haven't had a chance to test it on TQ yet but the new T1 domi can push a passive tank and still break 1k dps at close range with rediculous damage application.


I'm pretty sure the noob ships win any gank per ISK invested arguments.

-Liang



You're missing the point: Navy Dominix is a peice of ****. plain and simple. You can do missions in it yes but that's just one thing.


Navy mega is much better, T1 geddon is much better, T1 mega is much better. All are about the same or lower in cost.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
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