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Dev Blog: The Circle is Complete - Voting Finished for True Stories

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TrustThePilot
The Greater Goon
#41 - 2013-06-06 14:31:45 UTC
It's almost as if nothing interesting ever happens in highsec
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-06-06 14:54:22 UTC
TrustThePilot wrote:
It's almost as if nothing interesting ever happens in highsec


Personally, if someone would have made a story about being terrified during Burn Jita I would've voted for that, especially if he gave a good account of what was going through his mind etc.
Reiisha
#43 - 2013-06-06 15:02:43 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Andski wrote:
can someone point out a better story than those that were selected #1 and #2 by the community through a voting process?

3rd, 4th and 5th easily.

this is objectively incorrect, as demonstrated through the unbiased system that permitted anyone in eve to read the stories and vote upon them


And we all know popularity contests always end up with a quality winning entry. That's why we all remember the winner of X-factor in 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or any other year. Or Idols in any year. Or the Voice in any year. Or Big Brother in any year. Wait, what?

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-06-06 15:18:51 UTC
Reiisha wrote:


And we all know popularity contests always end up with a quality winning entry. That's why we all remember the winner of X-factor in 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or any other year. Or Idols in any year. Or the Voice in any year. Or Big Brother in any year. Wait, what?


X-Factor (UK): Alexandra Burke, Joe McElderry, Matt Cardle.

American Idols: Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Fantasia Barrino, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks, Jordin Sparks, David Cook, Kris Allen, Lee DeWyze, Scotty McCreery, Phillip Phillips and Candice Glover.

Big Brother (USA): Eddie McGee, Will Kirby, Lisa Donahue, Jun Song, Drew Daniel, Maggie Ausburn, **** Donato, Adam Jasinski, Dan Gheesling, Jordan Lloyd, Hayden Moss, Rachel Reilly, Ian Terry
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-06-06 19:09:57 UTC
Even without the obvious block voting that happened in order to get free stuff from CCP, why on Earth was the 'winning' story even allowed entry .. the alliance disband thing was a blatant CCP oversight (ie. broken mechanic) that was patched out shortly afterwards.
It would be like entering and voting for the great FW heist, the only difference between the two is that the latter had an easy 'fix' in wrist slapping and wallet zeroing whereas the former would have been nigh impossible to fix due to Sov and what not.

I know that some people subscribe to the idea that "there is no bad press", but this seems a bit extreme.

PS: Glad the RnK gimmick made it to top 5. Probably the only instance in the past seven years that I have been gobsmacked .. sheer elegance in its simplicity, makes one wonder why it has never been done before. Kudos to that at least.
Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE
#46 - 2013-06-06 21:07:39 UTC
Del Vikus wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
"Today I mined asteroids. It was exciting. To change it up I even harvested a few blocks of ice.
Living dangerously in highsec."

HIGH-SEC PLAYERS BAND TOGETHER, VOTE FOR MY STORY, PUSH OUT THE EVIL NULL INFLUENCE


"Today I mined asteroids. It was exciting. Nothing happened for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and then our Blob got rolled by another Blob. My personal impact: zero."

NULLSEC PLAYERS BAND TOGETHER, VOTE FOR GLORIOUS LEADER'S STORY, CONTINUE TO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO IN HIGH AND LOWSEC


LOL

Well played sir.
Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE
#47 - 2013-06-06 21:12:22 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Reiisha wrote:


And we all know popularity contests always end up with a quality winning entry. That's why we all remember the winner of X-factor in 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or any other year. Or Idols in any year. Or the Voice in any year. Or Big Brother in any year. Wait, what?


X-Factor (UK): Alexandra Burke, Joe McElderry, Matt Cardle.

American Idols: Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Fantasia Barrino, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks, Jordin Sparks, David Cook, Kris Allen, Lee DeWyze, Scotty McCreery, Phillip Phillips and Candice Glover.

Big Brother (USA): Eddie McGee, Will Kirby, Lisa Donahue, Jun Song, Drew Daniel, Maggie Ausburn, **** Donato, Adam Jasinski, Dan Gheesling, Jordan Lloyd, Hayden Moss, Rachel Reilly, Ian Terry


The Google is strong with this one.

P.S. If you didn't google it, just shows how little a life you have that you watch that much reality t.v. EEK!

P.P.S. Quit posting just to post. You make people like myself that believe in correcting idiots have to work harder.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-06-06 22:53:16 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
And we all know popularity contests always end up with a quality winning entry. That's why we all remember the winner of X-factor in 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or any other year. Or Idols in any year. Or the Voice in any year. Or Big Brother in any year. Wait, what?


well, the losing side isn't expected to love the story of their defeat

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#49 - 2013-06-07 06:56:51 UTC
Quote:
We will want to do this again at some point, perhaps at the end of the year. The format and process might be a little different, since we want to take the lessons from this iteration – what went well and what could have gone better – and apply them to the next one. We would be grateful for comments and constructive criticism on how this could be better arranged, so that we can continue to document the amazing history of New Eden for future generations to enjoy and learn from.


CCP, living in the land of unforeseen but blatantly obvious consequences since forever... Roll
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#50 - 2013-06-07 13:40:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
OK, some suggestions.

1- Use a jury. Ask yourself , "Why do we set up this?", then pick people who can judge and produce the result you want.

2- Proofread. Leave the bad stories out yourself and produce a limited set of worthy candidates. Reader's and jury's time is as precious as yours.

2.b: Ask candidates to summarize their story first, and proofread on the summaries. Once you've picked useful summaries, ask the candidates to develop them into full length stories.

3- Forget about voting. Voting only works when each story is judged by itself and not by its author, and there is no way you can ensure that on the internet, and even less in EVE.

4- The whole point of popular contests is to make the populace feel like "it could be them" who won, so they become emotionally attached to the sponsor. That's the exact opposite of rewarding the elite for being elite, and for several complex psychological reasons, rewarding the elite also causes on the populace the opposite emotional effect than popular contests do and thus alienates them from the sponsor.

Don't call it a writing contest if the result will be handing a gratuity to the king of space, and don't reward the king of space if your aim is to get good stories for your commercial partners.
Naomi Hale
#51 - 2013-06-07 21:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Hale
I personally feel that the the best stories didn't win, that voting should have been used to narrow down finalist and not select winners, that the judging should have been up to a third party e.g. the artists and writers for the True Stories graphic novel or EVE's lore writers, and finally that the prize was wasted on someone who has already been to CCP and Iceland many times and didn't go to someone that put real effort into a story for the hope of winning what is for many EVE players 'the Trip of a Lifetime'.

I didn't write a story myself, as I saw that it would be pointless with the Graphic novels description.

"Written and drawn by some of the most talented creators in comics and inspired by actual player-driven events during the first decade of EVE Online, EVE: True Stories immerses readers in a universe of cutthroat espionage, titanic alliances, and epic betrayals! Discover why this sci-fi masterpiece has developed one of the most dedicated fanbases in the world!"

Seems you already chose a winner to begin with.

I can't speak for everyone but to me the backstabbing and self-congratulatory nature of the Major alliances isn't a compelling story and when these stories do crop up on gaming sites they don't inspire or intrigue, they come across as cruel people doing cruel things to further their own cult of the self and personality.

How about next time you have a contest you don't give the prize to someone who made gaming news by telling other players to harass someone into killing themselves?

But like I said, it's my personal opinion, so it doesn't count for much, especially in EVE.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#52 - 2013-06-08 06:45:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Naomi Hale wrote:
I personally feel that the the best stories didn't win, that voting should have been used to narrow down finalist and not select winners, that the judging should have been up to a third party e.g. the artists and writers for the True Stories graphic novel or EVE's lore writers, and finally that the prize was wasted on someone who has already been to CCP and Iceland many times and didn't go to someone that put really effort into a story for the hope of winning what is for many EVE players 'the Trip of a Lifetime'.

I didn't write a story myself, as I saw that it would be pointless with the Graphic novels description.

"Written and drawn by some of the most talented creators in comics and inspired by actual player-driven events during the first decade of EVE Online, EVE: True Stories immerses readers in a universe of cutthroat espionage, titanic alliances, and epic betrayals! Discover why this sci-fi masterpiece has developed one of the most dedicated fanbases in the world!"

Seems you already chose a winner to begin with.

I can't speak for everyone but to me the backstabbing and self-congratulatory nature of the Major alliances isn't a compelling story and when these stories do crop up on gaming sites they don't inspire or intrigue, they come across cruel people doing cruel things to further their own cult of the self.

How about next time you have a contest you don't give the prize to someone who made gaming news by telling another player to kill themselves?

But like I said, it's my personal opinion, so it doesn't count for much, especially in EVE.


The fact that they want to run it again points that they are aware of the issues. And as usual, it feels like CCP are the sort of guys who would live under a volcano and one day would blame their misforrtune and complain that there's lava in the backyard. "Who could had figured it beforehand?", will they say.

I didn't wrote anyhing because I don't have any worthy true story (fiction, that would be another beast), but even if I had had a worthy candidate, I would had spared it to when it had a chance to be judged on its own and not because X or Y wrote it.

I mean, CCP could had ended with a winner like: "We told X to press disband button. BoB was disbanded" just because who wrote it. But, oh, who could had figured that beforehand? Roll
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-06-08 13:19:04 UTC
Black Romero wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Reiisha wrote:


And we all know popularity contests always end up with a quality winning entry. That's why we all remember the winner of X-factor in 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or any other year. Or Idols in any year. Or the Voice in any year. Or Big Brother in any year. Wait, what?


X-Factor (UK): Alexandra Burke, Joe McElderry, Matt Cardle.

American Idols: Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Fantasia Barrino, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks, Jordin Sparks, David Cook, Kris Allen, Lee DeWyze, Scotty McCreery, Phillip Phillips and Candice Glover.

Big Brother (USA): Eddie McGee, Will Kirby, Lisa Donahue, Jun Song, Drew Daniel, Maggie Ausburn, **** Donato, Adam Jasinski, Dan Gheesling, Jordan Lloyd, Hayden Moss, Rachel Reilly, Ian Terry


The Google is strong with this one.

P.S. If you didn't google it, just shows how little a life you have that you watch that much reality t.v. EEK!

P.P.S. Quit posting just to post. You make people like myself that believe in correcting idiots have to work harder.


Not Google, Wikipedia.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#54 - 2013-06-08 17:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
When a competition starts with the winner already settled that says it all about the competition. It sucks!
CCP please don't screw this up, the TV show and the comic. Be smart and make competent people decide what is going in those stories and what not. Don't let it be metagamed (block voted).

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Gwenywell Shumuku
#55 - 2013-06-10 05:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


The fact that they want to run it again points that they are aware of the issues. And as usual, it feels like CCP are the sort of guys who would live under a volcano and one day would blame their misforrtune and complain that there's lava in the backyard. "Who could had figured it beforehand?", will they say.


Well, to be fair, they DO live on a vulcano...

They wanted some player told events to repackage into stories (done by real writers) so they can brand them "real stories from EvE". Thats all. To get at least some of the real deal from mostly lazy players they handed out some stuff. End of story. It doesn't matter one bit to CCP how ppl voted. That wasn't the point.

The 5000 word limit voided possible "novel style stories" anyways, its just not enough to tell great events with enough detail, characterizing participants and so on.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#56 - 2013-06-12 06:31:53 UTC
Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


The fact that they want to run it again points that they are aware of the issues. And as usual, it feels like CCP are the sort of guys who would live under a volcano and one day would blame their misforrtune and complain that there's lava in the backyard. "Who could had figured it beforehand?", will they say.


Well, to be fair, they DO live on a vulcano...

They wanted some player told events to repackage into stories (done by real writers) so they can brand them "real stories from EvE". Thats all. To get at least some of the real deal from mostly lazy players they handed out some stuff. End of story. It doesn't matter one bit to CCP how ppl voted. That wasn't the point.

The 5000 word limit voided possible "novel style stories" anyways, its just not enough to tell great events with enough detail, characterizing participants and so on.


I was very aware that they live on volcanoes, thus the metaphore.

But as i stated earlier, the point with popular contests it's to make the populace empathize with the sponsor, not spit on them and rub their meaninglessness on them.

Assuming that noone who hasn't got a10,000 alliance behind won't have a real story worth telling is either terribly arrogant or stunningly stupid, depending on how you reach that conclussion.

Handing out a 10 year sub and a free trip to Iceland to someone who's been subbed for years, has got every reason to stay subbed and has been traveling regularly to iceland both on his own expenses and paid by CCP it's flat stupid. And when stupid happen as a consequence of a decission made, the decission itself was stupid. And then, who makes flat out stupid decissions with tens of thousands of euros and a PR stunt on stakes?

What's ironical is that CCP agree to their failure and already are going to hold another contest (does it remember of design a starship 2 to anyone?) to see wether they pull the desired outcome next time.

And in case you wonder why should any degree of CCP corporate stupidity concern you, let me remind you that you are paying it with your money.
Ordellus
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-06-15 08:08:07 UTC
If they actually make anything about that douche nozzle into a movie, comic book, or anything else I'm out.

**** that guy, and anyone that encourages people to behave and think that way.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#58 - 2013-06-15 21:10:13 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Well, in ten years time, the way this "competition" was handled is going to make a swell entry in the competition at that time


You mean the story about how people could've pushed the 2 winning entries right off the top 5 but didn't due to apathy, then complained about how unfair the system was because they didn't bother voting? Yeah that's going to be an awesome story, I can't wait.


This is an awesome story and should be #1.

Recursive metagaming, how very EVE...
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