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Wormhole Minning now impossible?
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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-06-10 13:04:39 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
i aint a miner but its pretty much only solo content in C4 or higher after PI is done


PVP?
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#42 - 2013-06-10 13:44:11 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ellendras Silver wrote:
i aint a miner but its pretty much only solo content in C4 or higher after PI is done


PVP?


well i did some PVP in 0.0 and before that a bit in low sec i am far from a bad ass PVPer but i defo like it and want to do it more.
but i also like PVE 9doing sites) more then i like mining but i do mining aswell

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#43 - 2013-06-10 15:28:40 UTC
Carebears go waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#44 - 2013-06-10 16:14:33 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Carebears go waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!


you should not forget to take your meds cant you see you need them!?

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#45 - 2013-06-10 18:00:31 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Carebears go waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!


you should not forget to take your meds cant you see you need them!?



Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#46 - 2013-06-10 19:30:01 UTC
Lenier Chenal wrote:
Just use a venture. Those things are annoying to catch, even with a 3+ point scram.


just becaue i was curious i tried it men takes forever to mine decent amount no that isnt an option

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-06-10 19:32:44 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
Lenier Chenal wrote:
Just use a venture. Those things are annoying to catch, even with a 3+ point scram.


just becaue i was curious i tried it men takes forever to mine decent amount no that isnt an option


Now I'm not much of a miner. Although I do generally mine (2 retrievers) for maybe an hour every couple of months. Its just enough to get the minerals I need for polymer reactions (which is also just something to do when I'm bored).

I just mined for an hour post odyssey and managed to live. WH mining still sucks and I don't know why anyone would bother.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#48 - 2013-06-10 20:13:54 UTC
Cause all of those lasers hitting those rocks is badass

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-06-10 20:28:58 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Cause all of those lasers hitting those rocks is badass



well put it this way. The mining (while boring as is) isn't the worst part it seems to me. it's the aftermath that would really make me want to gouge my eyes out.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-06-11 09:04:58 UTC
For all those who say that WH mining has been killed by the new changes. This is what happened to me yesterday.

I was mining Ark in a Retriever,
Cloaked Stealth Bomber warps in,
I run away, bug out of system and look for another WH to ninja.

OK, it wasn't that simple, it took recon, planning and setting up, but that was the outcome. The changes mean that now, you have to plan a mining Op in a WH system, especially if you are a solo miner like me.

What it has done is hamper afk mining in WH systems and has made people to actually have to play the game.

And no, I am not going to tell how I set up my Op, it's not rocket science and if you can't work it out for yourself you shouldn't be in a WH system. Also, because it's not rocket science it probably won't be that difficult for somebody to come up with a counter. The longer that can be delayed, the longer I can keep doing what I have to do before I try implementing Plan 'B'
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#51 - 2013-06-11 10:48:51 UTC
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
For all those who say that WH mining has been killed by the new changes. This is what happened to me yesterday.

I was mining Ark in a Retriever,
Cloaked Stealth Bomber warps in,
I run away, bug out of system and look for another WH to ninja.

OK, it wasn't that simple, it took recon, planning and setting up, but that was the outcome. The changes mean that now, you have to plan a mining Op in a WH system, especially if you are a solo miner like me.

What it has done is hamper afk mining in WH systems and has made people to actually have to play the game.

And no, I am not going to tell how I set up my Op, it's not rocket science and if you can't work it out for yourself you shouldn't be in a WH system. Also, because it's not rocket science it probably won't be that difficult for somebody to come up with a counter. The longer that can be delayed, the longer I can keep doing what I have to do before I try implementing Plan 'B'


riddle me this... how much ISK an hour you make doing that? because without boosts and only in a retriever you cant make that much. damn its more profitable to do missions in HS i am sure!

so the risk vs reward is completly out of balance in WHs and the logistics to get it compressed => moved to HS => correct station with standings + where the rest of your ore is => refinning it and moving it back tho the last step is optional

come on too much risk and too much effort for too few isk is pretty much why nobody wanna do it

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-06-11 11:03:10 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
For all those who say that WH mining has been killed by the new changes. This is what happened to me yesterday.

I was mining Ark in a Retriever,
Cloaked Stealth Bomber warps in,
I run away, bug out of system and look for another WH to ninja.

OK, it wasn't that simple, it took recon, planning and setting up, but that was the outcome. The changes mean that now, you have to plan a mining Op in a WH system, especially if you are a solo miner like me.

What it has done is hamper afk mining in WH systems and has made people to actually have to play the game.

And no, I am not going to tell how I set up my Op, it's not rocket science and if you can't work it out for yourself you shouldn't be in a WH system. Also, because it's not rocket science it probably won't be that difficult for somebody to come up with a counter. The longer that can be delayed, the longer I can keep doing what I have to do before I try implementing Plan 'B'


riddle me this... how much ISK an hour you make doing that? because without boosts and only in a retriever you cant make that much. damn its more profitable to do missions in HS i am sure!

so the risk vs reward is completly out of balance in WHs and the logistics to get it compressed => moved to HS => correct station with standings + where the rest of your ore is => refinning it and moving it back tho the last step is optional

come on too much risk and too much effort for too few isk is pretty much why nobody wanna do it



Forget the risk. Effort alone makes it not worth it.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-06-11 16:03:54 UTC
Reward is with a couple of loads or Ark or Bist, I can get more Battleships built and up for sale in High Sec. Making mega isk isn't the whole game, playing the game is what matters.
As I said, I have a plan that works for me, at the moment, knowing how good Eve players are at thinking 'outside of the box' I am guessing that it is not too long before I have to work out a new plan. And that is the main reward for me.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-06-11 16:27:26 UTC
why do wormhole minning when can you do wormhole winning
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-06-11 16:39:40 UTC
Casirio wrote:
why do wormhole minning when can you do wormhole winning


This is what I am looking at now, sort of Gamekeeper turning Poacher.

Max is an old character now, and the player behind him is even older, so it takes time for new ideas to sink in. But Max has more then made his iskies, has done everything from huge fleet battles in Delve to fast frigate sweeps, to grinding out missions and building stuff.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#56 - 2013-06-11 17:47:59 UTC
I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-06-11 18:04:38 UTC
1c3crysta1 wrote:
I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it.


Just remove the 75% hard cap from the refining array would fix alot.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#58 - 2013-06-11 18:05:51 UTC
1c3crysta1 wrote:
I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it.


Costs over a bil, but it's called a Rorqual.

http://www.wormholes.info
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-06-11 18:12:21 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
1c3crysta1 wrote:
I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it.


Costs over a bil, but it's called a Rorqual.



Not the same, and hardly as useful as a non-broken refining array would be.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#60 - 2013-06-11 18:18:25 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
1c3crysta1 wrote:
I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it.


Costs over a bil, but it's called a Rorqual.



Not the same, and hardly as useful as a non-broken refining array would be.


I agree. Refining in a POS really should be on the same efficiency level as a station, if not higher. I honestly don't know why it isn't...you jump through enough hoops to use one.

http://www.wormholes.info