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When it comes to small corps - how to advance?
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Gyoker
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-10-21 22:29:49 UTC
Hi,

I have spent days thinking on this. Let's suppose this situation: you are in a corporation with an active member count of say 15 people. Those 15 people have some PVP experience, have had their share of kills and losses and aren't afraid of new things.
However those 15 people are terribly bored of highsec and would like to try something new and exciting, that has potentional to make good ISK and/or provide good PVP possibilities where those 15 people do matter.

So here are the things I see right now:
- getting into 0.0 isn't easy: NPC 0.0 is controlled by larger entities (Stain Empire) or are just way too hardcore for such small corp to fight for their own space
- sov holder alliances will most likely not give us a fighting chance + in such a small corp with limited SP and resources the logistics would be a problem
- if we were to get into a 0.0 alliance after all we'd rely on other folks ability and willingness to help us out with logi
- so what is left? WH space ... well that is just not something we are interested in
- lowsec - sure it has it's buty but how many times have I heard: lowsec is dead...

So if a corp wanted to make a move a transition without messing up the entire corp (RL friends together) what options do we have? Maybe more experienced players could give us a hint where to start looking etc...

Regards
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-21 22:44:40 UTC
Good day:

There are still good times in low security space either as an anti-pirate force or a pirate force (or a little of both).

Thank you.

--- Mara Abraham

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Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#3 - 2011-10-21 22:47:21 UTC
Lowsec or NPC null. Lowsec is far from 'dead', especially if you pick the right areas, and is probably the best place for you guys to get your feet wet.

As for NPC null, I'd like to politely disagree with your assessment:
Gyoker wrote:

- getting into 0.0 isn't easy: NPC 0.0 is controlled by larger entities (Stain Empire) or are just way too hardcore for such small corp to fight for their own space


I've been in NPC null and had a blast in a corp with five active members, and done it solo as well. Once you're familiar with the locals and who will cause trouble, it's pretty easy to pick out who you can fight and who you have to avoid. There is a *lot* of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path.

Get logistics sorted - either in corp player with a carrier/JF, or Black Frog stuff out. Either one makes your life much easier, and once you're settled in Null with your clones, you can't really get kicked out. It's pretty easy to live under the feet of bigger powers in NPC null where they can't control docking, and you'll have plenty of opportuntities for pew.
Gyoker
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-21 22:54:04 UTC
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There is a *lot* of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path.


What exactly does that mean? I am have sort of troulbe understanding what you meant by that.. Could you give some specific pointers what you meant?

Also things to consider: having fun pewpewing is great and we love to do it as long as we have proper means to cover for our losses which I take will be more than the kills especially in the early days or weeks. Do you think that NPC 0.0 can support us in that too?
Goose99
#5 - 2011-10-22 01:18:52 UTC
Join FW.
Gyoker
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-22 11:08:42 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Join FW.


We actually thought of this... This would open up a lot of opportunities, however I do have some question. If we join FW, say Amarr, are we going to have a place to relatively safely do missions to covert for pewpew?
Missions being our single source of income at this point it is very interesting to know if we would be able to make enough to pewpew.
If we were to mission in highsec while in FW, can we expect enemy FW members to fly through our highsec successfully and destroy us?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-22 15:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Participate in FW, R&B, roams to lowsec or 0.0, while you recruit more people and grow. At, say, 40-50+ members, and with a decent KB record, start looking for a proper 0.0 alliance to join.
Blastier
#8 - 2011-10-22 18:46:41 UTC
From CCP's point of view, you don't exist and if you did then why aren't you on the CSM? hmm?
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-22 19:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Feligast
Gyoker wrote:
Quote:
There is a *lot* of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path.


What exactly does that mean? I am have sort of troulbe understanding what you meant by that.. Could you give some specific pointers what you meant?

Also things to consider: having fun pewpewing is great and we love to do it as long as we have proper means to cover for our losses which I take will be more than the kills especially in the early days or weeks. Do you think that NPC 0.0 can support us in that too?


http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Venal

OR even more specifically, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/H-PA29
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#10 - 2011-10-22 19:07:10 UTC
Gyoker wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Join FW.


We actually thought of this... This would open up a lot of opportunities, however I do have some question. If we join FW, say Amarr, are we going to have a place to relatively safely do missions to covert for pewpew?
Missions being our single source of income at this point it is very interesting to know if we would be able to make enough to pewpew.
If we were to mission in highsec while in FW, can we expect enemy FW members to fly through our highsec successfully and destroy us?


If you join faction war you will want to take advantage of the faction war missions. Yes they are lowsec missions that anyone can warp to but in comparison to level 4's in highsec, they complete much faster (ie you only kill one battleship rat instead of 30, for instance) with a much higher LP payout. FW missions are lucrative enough that you can buy multitudes of ships and still be making isk.

Enemy militia can find and kill you while you mission in highsec, the navies arent that good at protecting you (lookup loren gallen's killboard to see what i mean). Despite all this I think FW is the best way to get your toes wet with with pvp. In nullsec you have to worry about logistics (having enough supplies) afk cloakers and such. If you pvp in lowsec you're still very close to empire so you can get supplies anytime you want and you don't have to worry about owning a jump freighter or carrier to move stuff around.
Caldain Morrow
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-10-22 20:43:32 UTC
Gyoker wrote:
Quote:
There is a *lot* of NPC null if you're willing to stay off the beaten path.


What exactly does that mean? I am have sort of troulbe understanding what you meant by that.. Could you give some specific pointers what you meant?

Also things to consider: having fun pewpewing is great and we love to do it as long as we have proper means to cover for our losses which I take will be more than the kills especially in the early days or weeks. Do you think that NPC 0.0 can support us in that too?


When I was doing FW I only got ganked in High sec once. Then I learned to keep an eye on the local. Also, most of my loses in FW doing missions were to pirate gate camps in low sec. I only got blobbed once by a FW fleet. I was only there for a few months but it was alot of fun and I've since been looking hard at going back.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#12 - 2011-10-23 05:58:23 UTC
check your inbox Big smile
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#13 - 2011-10-23 08:33:01 UTC
If you're thinking about joining the Amarr FW, then yes you can high sec mission and at the same time be hunted by those that seek such players. However low sec missions give out such an insane income level around 300m an hour if done right. You wont want to high sec mission anymore.

Speaking as someone in Amarr there is a pretty damn safe entry system to low sec for amarr called Kamela. I know this because I live there. Minnies sometimes come in, and so do the odd pirate gang but they're normally friendlies rushing around killing them.

Most of the Amarr live a further two jumps inside the low sec pipe in Houla. This system has both WTs and Pirates living inside it, so if you're really new to the FW system best not to jump right into living in hostal low sec. Kamela or Kourmonen are nice systems to live in. Lots of Friendlies around.

FW for a solo guy is hard to break into because not many people will pick up General into fleets, doing it as a corp mean you already have 15 guys to roam with. Which in of itself will have other FCs and corps hitting you up to roam. FW for the most part is small scale pvp, 15 guys would be a good fleet and you would soon find someone to shoot at.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Gyoker
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-10-23 11:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Gyoker
Ohh WOW!

You guys were extremely helpful. I must tell you that I got a bunch of mails in my inbox giving me specific instructions on what to do and what not to do.
I must say that I was kind of surprised by that, as well it made me feel that the small guys do matter in EVE to other players even if we are nothing in the eyes of CCP :)

You gave me a lot to think about.
We are very much considering FW right now. Having lived so far in caldari and amarr space, I think it's logical we join either of those, maybe Amarr. :)
As well that would mean that we could venture sometimes in 0.0, see what it's like, Providence would open up to us so I believe it is a choice we might go for.

As well I got a lot of help on clearing up a few things about WHs and what are the advantages. If we are not going for FW, we'll look into finding an empty c3 or similar. :)

Once again:

THANKS
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2011-10-24 08:39:00 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Join FW.

BTW jsut cause someone says Lowsec is dead. dosent mean its true.
How about u come down to huola and find out

And yes Join FW make new freinds

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Gyoker
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-10-24 11:35:41 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Join FW.

BTW jsut cause someone says Lowsec is dead. dosent mean its true.
How about u come down to huola and find out

And yes Join FW make new freinds


Ohh no, he has gas!
tofucake prime
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#17 - 2011-10-24 19:32:49 UTC
Molden Heath and Lonetrek are 2 pretty active lowsec regions.

Here's how you get better at this game, starting from a highsec bear base:
1. Move to lowsec
2. Shoot everything
3. When you stop losing fights and/or nobody will fight you anymore, move to a new region
4. See 2
5. Start invading null and hitting hornets' nests with bats
6. When you stop losing fights and/or nobody will fight you anymore, move to a new region
7. See 5
8. You have won EVE
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-24 20:15:11 UTC
There are still plenty of things to do; only you know what your people are willing to dive into. Take an informal poll asking for their input (you're small enough that listening to them is actually a good thing), and see how it works. Plenty to do in WH space; you don't have to put up a tower in the beginning, just farm some good combat sites. As already mentioned, lots of fun in FW: you basically have to live in low/null. Plenty of gang fights if you're up for it, decent LP payout for FW missioning,etc. Set up your pilots with jump clones and they can pop out into safe high sec for missioning if they like. As for null, don't bother joining a null alliance because you'll either be a pet for a sov holder, fodder for fleet fights, or just paying outrageous prices to rent.

I'd suggest FW, but it's not for everyone. Plenty of opportunity for young/growing corps in low.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-10-24 20:18:16 UTC
tofucake prime wrote:

5. Start invading null and hitting hornets' nests with bats



That, sir, is epic. Lol Well said.
Party Lips
Calamitous-Intent
#20 - 2011-10-25 14:16:39 UTC
yeah FW is your best bet.

touch your KB up and get 25-30 active pilots. then move to npc 0.0 (get blue standings to who is in control of the area.)
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