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Tengus now obsolete in high sec complexes?
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Pestilence Aligher'ri
V i L e
#21 - 2013-06-05 19:20:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Pestilence Aligher'ri
Amakish wrote:
because im not gonna lose a t3 cruiser in low sec to some jerkoff



The spirit of Eve has always been risk versus reward. You are risking nothing hiding in high-sec getting fat off a free ride. Unfortunately, the balance has shifted not in your favor and you are forced to actually play the game like the rest of us.

Welcome to Eve
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#22 - 2013-06-05 20:12:52 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
vyshnegradsky wrote:
Amakish wrote:
the change to not allow t3 CRUISERS in ded sites in hi sec is just stupid and not in the spirit of eve

taking away player choice should be reason enough for not doing it!!!

also having 1 ship to do your thing should be the goal of any pilot and since the t3 is the only ship with good bonusses for both combat and scanning its seems like an illogical step...

as it stand i might go into a sacriledge with a probe launcher and with decent skills you can still find the sites fairly easy

or so balls to the wall and just go with a scanning alt...

still the sites will get facer*ped by t2 cruisers so the "problem" is not solved by any means

GG CCP you suck at "fixing" problems

more experienced players will always have an advantage over newer players....

more skills = more dps
more skills = better tank
more skills = faster ship
more skills = better ship
more skills = easier scanning
more experience = easier to run the sites

Explain to be how removing t3 cruiser from hi sec fixes this?


Why don't you just go to lowsec and run sites there?


Because it's more profitable to do it in high, obviously.


Because if you actually did research before acting like a smug jerk, you would know that T3's no longer work in LOW SEC 3/10's and 4/10's either.


If you wern't such a risk adverse carebear you would realise there are better sites than 3/10's and 4/10's in low sec. You will only lose your ship if you are ********. I guess you don't stand much of a chance...

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#23 - 2013-06-05 21:02:41 UTC
Pestilence Aligher'ri wrote:
Amakish wrote:
because im not gonna lose a t3 cruiser in low sec to some jerkoff



The spirit of Eve has always been risk versus reward. You are risking nothing hiding in high-sec getting fat off a free ride. Unfortunately, the balance has shifted not in your favor and you are forced to actually play the game like the rest of us.

Welcome to Eve


People were getting fat off T3 hisec exploration?
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-06-05 21:28:18 UTC
Pestilence Aligher'ri wrote:
Amakish wrote:
because im not gonna lose a t3 cruiser in low sec to some jerkoff



The spirit of Eve has always been risk versus reward. You are risking nothing hiding in high-sec getting fat off a free ride. Unfortunately, the balance has shifted not in your favor and you are forced to actually play the game like the rest of us pick the next best blitz hull for no discernible reason, whatsoever.

Welcome to Eve



I fixed that. HTH.


What's next? Banning Machs from level 4's for being "too good"? No more macks in ice belts?
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#25 - 2013-06-05 23:22:37 UTC
Tis a stupid change. The next logical stupid change is to make sites disappear from the scanner and become private once someone enters the first room. Anyone wanna bet? Next it will be the tech II and faction hulls...

Leave high sec now don't wait to get shown the door....or start ganking noobs in 3 and 4/10s?
Mrbluto
An My
#26 - 2013-06-06 07:08:02 UTC
I thought it was generally understood that CCP wants everyone to move out of high sec for any type of reward.

They get the high sec care bears hooked on something and then slowly move all the good parts out of high sec and move it all to low sec and null sec so more 'player interaction' can take place.

Low sec isn't as bad as they say, and null sec can be like a grave yard most of the time so grab your tengu and take the plunge. Or just suck it up and change to another ship for doing the 3/10 and 4/10's there are plenty to choose from.
Pacifyn
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-06 07:59:24 UTC
Problem is the old ded 3/4 blitzers will just swap ships to the next best thing, either an Ishtar or a Command ship. Nothing will change, just they use an even faster ship for High Sec exploration.

What they should've done was simply remove 3/4 sites from High sec. Done. Fixed. Solved. Tengus woulda of become what they should be, low sec/wh ships.

Instead they nerfed low sec exploration at the same time. Kinda stupid
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#28 - 2013-06-06 08:35:54 UTC
Pacifyn wrote:
Problem is the old ded 3/4 blitzers will just swap ships to the next best thing, either an Ishtar or a Command ship. Nothing will change, just they use an even faster ship for High Sec exploration.

What they should've done was simply remove 3/4 sites from High sec. Done. Fixed. Solved. Tengus woulda of become what they should be, low sec/wh ships.

Instead they nerfed low sec exploration at the same time. Kinda stupid


Nothing stopping those low sec explorers from using a HAC/CS either is there?

While I agree that simply removing DED 3-4/10s from highsec would have been another option, it is not the one I would have taken.

I would have left things exactly how they were, but cut the spawn rate of high sec 4/10s down to about 20% of what they are now, and 3/10s to about half. then bump the low sec one up so that there are more of them in low. You want to stay in high sec and run 3-4/10s all day? No problem, but you're not going to find as many. Although, you could just go next door into low sec and they're everywhere.

Choice is yours, consequences are known. Have a nice day.
Pacifyn
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-06 08:55:55 UTC
You'd be pretty silly exploring in low sec in a hac or a command ship, you'd die in a gate camp far too often lol
Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-06-06 09:52:45 UTC
Or you could just not spawn the Pinata until the entire site is cleared. Or in sites with multiple routes to the pinata, all rats on the path that was taken by the player who enters the Pinata room first.

Being able to attack one target in a site with what ..... 20-40-60 supposed bodyguard ships that have been completely ignored doesnt make much sense. Perhaps ignore some of the ones in his room, say 30-40-50% or whatever, that makes a certain sense, but ALL of his bodyguards ?
Larger/stronger ships than T3s are prevented from entering so that this Blitzing does not happen. But T3s/HACs/Commands are still capable of doing it.
And as has been proven by the T3 pilots doing this, If the EVE player-base CAN do a thing, they WILL do it. Even if its contra to CCPs intended purpose, not the best possible use for a ship, or just flat out wrong from a moral point of view in situations where someone else is already running the site.

Please dont flame me for the Morals comment. I hold MYSELF and ONLY myself to my code of conduct. Others are free to do as they wish, and they rarely fail to meet my admittedly very low expectations of them.
Mycael
Air
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-06-06 10:04:07 UTC
Pacifyn wrote:
You'd be pretty silly exploring in low sec in a hac or a command ship, you'd die in a gate camp far too often lol


All those silly people doing it, and using the simplest ways to avoid getting camped on a gate.
Melikor Tissant
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#32 - 2013-06-06 10:07:06 UTC
I still don't understand why T3 is OP while command ship or HAC is just fine when it comes to high sec for example.
They might require a bit more training, but that is pretty much it. They will do the sites just as fast and can ignore most of not all spawns.
Scanning now is so easy even without the T3 extra bonus,

And even if low-sec has 5/10 or sometimes 6/10, there are still plenty of 4/10 in low-sec.

Beside, wasn't this what T3s were meant to do?
Mycael
Air
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-06-06 10:11:29 UTC
Melikor Tissant wrote:
Beside, wasn't this what T3s were meant to do?


What, PvE in EVE?
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#34 - 2013-06-06 10:33:51 UTC
Pacifyn wrote:
You'd be pretty silly exploring in low sec in a hac or a command ship, you'd die in a gate camp far too often lol

I did lowsec exploration in a pimp Machariel, Sleipnir and Tornado. Never lost a ship to another player while plexing.
Be smart, use a scout.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-06-06 11:25:02 UTC
vyshnegradsky wrote:
Because if you actually did research before acting like a smug jerk, you would know that T3's no longer work in LOW SEC 3/10's and 4/10's either.


If you wern't such a risk adverse carebear you would realise there are better sites than 3/10's and 4/10's in low sec. You will only lose your ship if you are ********. I guess you don't stand much of a chance...
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The ********* in your post seem to indicate the level of mind vs emotion.

[i]There are no ded3 in lowsec.[/]

Some examples why low-sec isn't always an option:
1) You only have limited time so "waiting for optimal conditions" in lowsec is no option.
2) You are not able to focus 100%. You have to keep an eye on the kids, the food or whatever needs some of your attention.
3) You simply do not have the skills to pull off a ded5/10.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#36 - 2013-06-06 11:42:06 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:

Some examples why low-sec isn't always an option:

You are right, but what does that have to do with the topic?

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imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-06 12:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: imbaRabbit
High-sec exploration sucked the way it was, and it still sucks. There's no need for you to move out of the high-sec since you can earn decent amount if ISK in no-time (*shoot triggers, fly through the gate, kill the faction NPC, rinse & repeat*) - it's just stupid. But this is classic CCP - they don't give a damn about anything, unless it "breaks" the usage %. How do you think they nerf the ships? Oh, look at that NULL-sec alliance over-using the Drake ... that's not right! Let's nerf it - a job well done, or is it? Heavy missiles are too strong, and over-used, let's nerf the whole system? I can't care less on what ship or weapon system is being nerfed, but I do care when reasons of nerfing are as lame as they are for removing T3s out of the (3,4)/10.

There is something wrong with the HIGH-sec exploration: if I, as "an experienced" (read: an account older than 1 year) can get a billion within two hours of game-time in Guristas space, why would I move out? Tengus being banned from those sites will not change anything. 'Older' accounts will happily jump in the next ship which can blitz the **** out of the exploration site and take the loot. Personally, I've moved into the Serpentis space and I'm using the Hawk (it's fun and I'm not playing EvE for the ISK/hr). And you know what, a lot of people tend to ignore the (1,2/10) since they're flying something bigger (hint: you can earn millions from those sites as well with no problems).

Anyway, I don't want to make this story long but what I want to underline is: THE CONTENT HAS TO CHANGE. Place the random seed for a trigger, lock the acceleration gate until you clear the whole room (as you do in missions), etc. - do something on that terms.

A lot of people call themselves explorers, yet they cling on the guides and similar. Why do you call yourself an explorer, if you don't want to take any risks?

This patch is bringing you new content. See how they have removed the NPCs from the Radar\Magnometric (read: Data/Relic) sites? Take a Covert ops ship, look at the map (or DOTLAN) and go in the NULL sec. Decide the way you want to get in the NULL-sec: wormhole entrance\exit or through the pipe? And earn some ISK if you really need it.

OR just enjoy the content and stories (unfortunately, I don't buy the last part myself, since the content tends to get too repetitive).

EDIT: take the inexpensive ship like a destroyer and go "belt" in the LOW-sec. You can earn serious amount of ISK since there are people who're willing to buy them (by them, I mean tags *sorry*).
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#38 - 2013-06-06 13:01:45 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Pestilence Aligher'ri wrote:
Amakish wrote:
because im not gonna lose a t3 cruiser in low sec to some jerkoff



The spirit of Eve has always been risk versus reward. You are risking nothing hiding in high-sec getting fat off a free ride. Unfortunately, the balance has shifted not in your favor and you are forced to actually play the game like the rest of us.

Welcome to Eve


People were getting fat off T3 hisec exploration?


Yep. It was ridicules.
imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-06 13:13:59 UTC
T3 or not, it will STAY RIDICULOUS. Banning T3s will solve nothing.
Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-06 13:59:22 UTC
I dunno why they don't go the whole hog tbh.
T1 Cruiser limit on 3-4/10. That's right, no HACs, no BCs, no CommandShips..... but wait, then people would just bring Faction/Pirate ships instead.

Make FULL clearance of ALL spawned hostiles in any given site mandatory and watch all the Pimp-ship captains head for the hills because it wont be worth their time to run Hi-Sec sites.

I always figured that the Hi-Sec content was intended to allow lower-SP pilots to make some money and learn some techniques. By, you know, flying the site, taking the time to learn the ropes, with the chance of a generous Pinata at the end.

The Pinata is what draws the Site-Racers, and since they don't have to clear the site to get the goods, they don't.

I quite happily clear everything on the site, because I play that way, for the RP part of MMORPG, I'm clearing out a den of scum and villainy. If I find a nice bit of bling at the end, happy days. I'll still clear out the entire site, and salvage the bugger too.
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