EVE General Discussion

There were enough that it shouldn't have been a surprise.

This is just the usual "this is :awesome: so we're doing it" attitude that prevails in many Scandinavian companies - and usually nobody dissents.

We'll see but they have more than enough complaints now.

As an aside, after 30 or so consecutive jumps I start to feel a bit sick and I'm not someone who suffers from real-world motion sickness.

What it is once an expansion is released such changes are done. Development time is over on it, it's paid for. Any changes of that sort will have to be done in another expansion will it's being funded. Nothing gets done without funding, and funding comes in project cycles.

So when devs say "It can't be done now" they mean it. It's hardcoded and won't be touched. Animations and such could be fixed as that's not hardcoded. But anything involving the engine itself, short of an emergency, it'll remain unfixed until funded to fix.

Anything can be fixed (if it can be created it can be removed; expanded; contracted and split) it's just upto the devs to decide if it's a priority. And from what I've read they're taking a wait and see approach to see if this is like the text change fallout (it's not, because this affects players physically, and it's not something folks will adapt too. That's like asking an epileptic he'll just adapt to strobe lights that could trigger seizures...it takes just one seizure to cause trouble). Can't take the He-Man attitude too far, as this physically hurts players, and that's a major no-no in game design.

Ace is actually a very good poster, he just seems a bit worked up at the moment.

Don't worry Maybelater, one day you'll grow up and learn the difference between being smug and being correct.

I'm not going to debate this with you Ace. If you want an overview of how QA works on a MMO set on a single shard there are a huge number of posts you can search for dedicated to this issue, laced liberally with insight from the Devs.

As to EvE being regarded as a garage or ghetto game you need only check their reviews at any major gaming site, or check their embarrassingly long list of "Game of the Year" awards, among others.

Unsurprisingly you don´t get there´s a difference between content and diction.

and what about the ppl who like the new jump animation the way it is

Ok, what they need to do is add a minigame. Solve minigame, you can turn off animation. Don't solve it after two tries, screw you we hope your lunch wasn't too expensive.

Hey, since ccp is into minigames now, why not?

Last game site I was at, even the DDoS attack wasn't reported until a day later. It's like it's happening. It's BIG news. The EvE desk was AWOL.

So unless you mention it on Wired or something, it won't be noticed.

I'll probably catch on to that one when you learn the difference between making constructive posts to prove your point, and making personal attacks to hide the fact that you don't have one.

I do appreciate that you are continuing to look into this, and I appreciate even more that you are communicating this fact. I'm afraid that 18 days of CCP silence between updates on an issue this severe is a bit too far apart for my tastes.

Also, while I genuinely appreciate the effort being made, I'm afraid that I have to take issue with some aspects of your approach and perspective on this issue.



This is good, and needs to be looked at, however it is by itself incomplete. First, I believe this only address part of the nausea issue. Something I don't think has been mentioned much before, but I think that the short duration of this transition is part of the cause for the nausea - you are suddenly switching to a radically different perspective and motion sequence for about 6-8 seconds, and then just as suddenly you return to the previous view. This animation does not last long enough for the eyes to adjust to what they are seeing before they again switch to a different view. The disorienting effect of this sudden and brief visual interruption is most likely a large contributor to the nausea people are experiencing. Changing the camera swings and FOV will not mitigate this factor, and since I doubt anyone wants the animation (and thereby, the transition time) to be lengthened, the only option would seem to be to make the appearance and motion of the animation to be more similar to the motion experienced prior to and after the animation. Well, either that, or just do away with it altogether, but you seem to be unwilling to bend on that point (I'll address this later).

Secondly, as someone who has discovered the jump animation to not only be nausea-inducing, but also a migraine headache trigger, I can say that merely changing the FOV will not deal with this second symptom. Something needs to be done to tone down or remove the flashing lights and colors in the tunnel. I'd expect those susceptible to epileptic seizures to find these effects similarly distressing.



No. No it is not a cop-out, it is exactly what your customers are asking for! Ignoring that fact is very disturbing to me, and indicates that you still do not understand the severity of this issue, especially in light of this statement:



We have been dealing with this physically painful issue for more than three weeks now, and according to your response, we will likely have to wait much longer before any alterations to the animation will be implemented on TQ. WIth this in mind, the fact that you are not even willing to consider even temporarily implement a blank screen replacement to the animation as a stop-gap measure at the very least speaks volumes about how concerned you really are about how this problem is affecting your customers.

This is an immediate problem affecting real-world physical health, and you seriously can't be flexible enough to make a temporary fix while you attempt to improve your precious animation? That is sheer indifference, if not outright disdain for the players suffering from these problems. You (being the team working on this issue and making the decisions, not CCP Sisyphus directly) need to swallow your pride and turn this thing off until you can come up with a suitable replacement!



Again, this is unacceptable, and the reason that many have stated they are unsubbing their accounts. I still have more than a month left on my subscription, so I'll at least be here that long, but this is exactly the sort of issue that requires swift action, not a long development cycle. Even if you can only do a temporary fix, that is much better than just leaving things as they are until you can find that perfect version of the animation that bothers no one.

And what if such a version never materializes? What if after months of effort, your results still cause problems for players? Will you still be unwilling to give us the off switch we have been begging for? If so, then I fear you will be the victims of your own hubris, and the results will be played out in cancelled subscriptions as we collectively lose our patience.

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm losing my temper over this, and I don't mean to take it all out on the one dev good enough to at least give us an occasional report on the issue, but it seems to be the only way I can properly convey the importance and severity of this issue. So please, don't take this as a personal attack, but rather try to understand exactly how unpleasant and uncomfortable this simple little decoration has made the game for me. I'm currently paying for a game which I can no longer play, at least not without avoiding certain parts of it, and putting my ships at greater risk than players who are not similarly affected. I am basically being denied a service I have paid for. You obviously cannot refund me the remainder of my subscription, as anyone could claim to suffer from the same problem just to get some free game time, so the only thing I can do is continue to demand that you fix this ASAP.