EVE General Discussion

After few weeks of playing with this, my impression of the effect still is that my ship still travels like it used to, by disappearing in one system and then appearing in another, but for some reason camera drones are now left behind and they have to catch up by flying through a dark cloudy tunnel.

Some kind of transition effect for the jumps is probably good (especially in situations where you get jump queue and used to just stare at the system you had already departed), but have to agree with the people in this thread that the current implementation is pretty bad. Major offender being the camera swing. Camera is the only(?) thing the player has direct control over in Eve, freezing its controls is not good, taking over its controls and doing some wild and cinematic sweeps and swings is just bad. One should be very cautious when to use either of those. :backseatdevving:

Actual jump tunnel isn't nowhere near that bad, especially when slowed down (as experienced in TiDi).

I wonder how this would look like, if you kept the camera free. Just cross fade to the jump tunnel effect when jump has been initiated without caring which way the camera might be pointing.

(My tolerance levels have increased from few weeks ago, but I'm still in the alt+tab or 'strategically timed long blink' during most jumps camp.)

Giving a group of players the option to disable certain effects they don´t like for what reason ever is just common sense. You may say "We should not expect the option to disable"-
I say it is plain and simple depending on CCP´s decision. If they want to do it, they can do it.
In case they don´t want to provide a off option but provide an appropriate solution, everything is fine. If not, seriously affected (or pissed off) people will stop playing the game long term. It is really not that complex.

My subjective experience is, the transfer between systems now lasts significantly longer, no matter what they say. Why do i receive this "You are a criminal" message whilst i am visually still in that tunnel? Obviously i am already in the target system, but the animation ist still running. This makes no sense at all.

And in truth, isn't that what a sandbox game is about? More options?

Introducing a new "feature" in any application without having an easy and fast way to rollback is a very very bad development practice.

You don't just go, "I'm gonna write new code and shift-delete the old one", you don't burn our bridges. I believe the rollback is not performed out of spite and the fact that CCP has a hard time admitting that a feature they poured resources on, lost its appeal 10 minutes in. Because that also shows poor planning and poor knowledge of their player base.

Either way, stupid move all around CCP. Saying you have no options or don't want to, is bad and shortsighted no matter how you spin it.

If a feature was considered, by his own designer/developer, subpar, why in the hell you put it online on Tranquillity?
I understand that it's your game and every decision is up to you, but actions like that simply demote your (our) game and give the idea to a lot of people that you didn't learn anything from the incarna situation, public relation and gaming comunity consideration.

After years and years of "throw **** at the players and then itterate on it", you'd think they finally learned: stop delivering half-assed features! Either add well polished/thought/balanced features or don't!

If they can't determine which ones are high-quality, they should hire better QA people or provide more incentives for players to participate in testing on SiSi and provide feedback. Then there's the part where CCP has to listen on that feedback and not go all like "meh, we still think the spin-jump is cool, suck it up!"

I'm all for immersion but there are countless ways to approach it, some good, some bad. Choosing which is which is not done by rolling the dice and hoping for the best.



Here's an idea: if a feature has the slightest chance of being rejected, design it in a way that it can be rolled-back temporarily until you iron out the details and fix whatever issues. You don't just leave the stinky turd in there for who knows how long and annoy a large portion of the players.

Here's another idea: test the **** out of that feature. As I said above, hire competent QA or convince more players to participate in testing.

QA doesn't take 500k accounts (for this maybe no more than 10, as someone in that 10 group will be effected). Otherwise, with that logic you need 5 million players to fully test a game....and EvE doesn't have that many.

What it takes is the devs to sit down and think about the direction the game will be going. They're at a 500k sub mark and if they want to be recognized as an AAA title, they have to get their Art and Design figured out BEFORE moving ahead (it will cost a bundle to fix otherwise).

They're out of the garage stage now. It's time to think about the brand and what the brand will represent and it's appearance. This is an example of where the design doesn't even fit anyway.

At this stage of development it's about polish. It's what separates AAA titles from AA. Items fit. Design is fluid. Environment is as seamless as possible. And why? Players can tell the difference. And if other games are polished and EvE's is not, word gets around it's sub-standard and "it's another unfinished sandbox game". Got to show it isn't, and that comes down to a solid and practical design plan.

I was looking through the dev posts and saw the bit about "The new jump animation" and for the 10 seconds while the page was loading, I was super excited that they'd added the ability to bunny hop in my captains quarters.

Oh well, maybe next time.

Yeah, immersion...how could one not love those buzzwords!
Anyway, everybody has at least an idea what this could be, so i can dig into it for the moment.
There is probably no other game in this world which provides such an extremely intense moment like solo pvp, some of you may know it; you commit to a fight, maybe against the odds- you win or you lose. And you notice again, even after years of playing Eve: your hands are shaking and it may take a couple of minutes to calm down again.
This is immersion for me, Eve is totally unique in this regard. Not the cheesy graphics added to the game little by little. Add that for those players who enjoy these, i don´t mind- but please do not let them stand in my way.

Ace, two things.

1: Perfect QA on a game like EvE is a nice theory. Unfortunately that doesn't make it realistic in any way, shape, or form. I know you don't understand the why's of that, but it's just something you're going to have to learn to accept.

2: I don't think you really understand how highly EvE is regarded in the gaming industry. They haven't been at the "garage stage" for over a decade... and "sandbox games" are never, ever, finished.