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This is unfair. You have cheated me, CCP :(

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Reiisha
#201 - 2013-06-05 21:33:03 UTC
Zaryte wrote:


Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.


So you expect CCP to make reading ALL the patch notes for every expansion mandatory? Because that will go over well with newer players...

A lot of things have been changed quite a lot. I think you expect CCP to take a personal interest in your own situation and talk to you, just you, about what you have to do. That's the impression you give here in any case - Or do you really want to be forced to read through ALL the other changes aswell before you're allowed to log in 4 months before the actual patch is supposed to happen? The change to moon mining may not affect you in any way, but i bet you'd be pretty pissed off if you were forced to learn all the changes up front and memorize them by having CCP shove it in your face at every opportunity.

Fact is, CCP posted about this in a lot of places over the past year. They have done everything they could to inform the playerbase of this change without actually spamming it in everyone's face. It's you who dropped the ball, not them.

Let this be a lesson about EVE in general. The big patches (expansions) always change around a LOT. EVE isn't what it used to be 10 years ago, even some of the underlying systems have changed over time. It pays off to read up on what a patch will bring up front and it should be an extra hint if the developers have been posting about a few issues more often than others.

Adapting to change is a necessary skill to progress in EVE. You can't count on anything staying as it is for all time, if you do you will be left behind very, very quickly.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#202 - 2013-06-06 00:38:29 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Zaryte wrote:


Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.


So you expect CCP to make reading ALL the patch notes for every expansion mandatory? Because that will go over well with newer players...

A lot of things have been changed quite a lot. I think you expect CCP to take a personal interest in your own situation and talk to you, just you, about what you have to do. That's the impression you give here in any case - Or do you really want to be forced to read through ALL the other changes aswell before you're allowed to log in 4 months before the actual patch is supposed to happen? The change to moon mining may not affect you in any way, but i bet you'd be pretty pissed off if you were forced to learn all the changes up front and memorize them by having CCP shove it in your face at every opportunity.

Fact is, CCP posted about this in a lot of places over the past year. They have done everything they could to inform the playerbase of this change without actually spamming it in everyone's face. It's you who dropped the ball, not them.

Let this be a lesson about EVE in general. The big patches (expansions) always change around a LOT. EVE isn't what it used to be 10 years ago, even some of the underlying systems have changed over time. It pays off to read up on what a patch will bring up front and it should be an extra hint if the developers have been posting about a few issues more often than others.

Adapting to change is a necessary skill to progress in EVE. You can't count on anything staying as it is for all time, if you do you will be left behind very, very quickly.


This was my first expansion, I don't know what to expect of game changes. You're also blowing everything out of proportion. I'm not saying make all patch notes mandatory to read, I've never said anything like that. The only thing that should have been pushed into our faces was the training time for ships, because that literally does affect EVERYONE.
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#203 - 2013-06-06 01:02:50 UTC
Sorry to hear that but look on the bright side of this.Take it as your first 'Eve experience' and wait a little longer. Trust me if you're still playing the game in six months down the track with more SP on your character, you'll look back and laugh about it.

There are FAR more skill intensive abilities you'll need/want to do in the future to make this look like a bump on the road.

fly safe and nuke some miners. o7Big smile

_**Noob **_isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.

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Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#204 - 2013-06-06 01:21:12 UTC
Ryuu Shi wrote:
Sorry to hear that but look on the bright side of this.Take it as your first 'Eve experience' and wait a little longer. Trust me if you're still playing the game in six months down the track with more SP on your character, you'll look back and laugh about it.

There are FAR more skill intensive abilities you'll need/want to do in the future to make this look like a bump on the road.

fly safe and nuke some miners. o7Big smile


*feels a little better*
It's people like you that restore a little of my faith back into the EVE community. Thanks for the post

..Not so sure about the nuking miners part though
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2013-06-06 02:36:45 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Same to you, you have said absolutely nothing constructive at all, since we at least give a bit of food for thought.

And as long as you return big defender, so might one of us 8)

I stop visiting when its dead , as long as it amuses me, might might stick around and have a look once in a while, makes me feel so supreme and I can really use the boost, me being such a little fella and all, I mean in character and spirit. Twisted

I agree with the OP, most of your replies have been sarcastic insults intended to demean and flame. There have also been quite a few other characters also doing the same thing. If it continues, I will personally report all of you until this thread get's locked, and then I will file petitions about it as well as file complaints with Customer Service. This needless harassment of new players or anyone else in this community is not acceptable.

DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2013-06-06 02:40:37 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
This change has been incoming for ages, literally you must have been living under a rock to miss it.


Not really.

Returning players or new players exist, and they won't remember all the sites or what not to keep abreast of the ins and outs.

If anyone wants to know how WoW is the #1 MMO, just look at all the content sites they have, that breaks down the jargon and even links to the items with detail descriptions of what it is or isn't. There's no need to be a Elitist Jerk about such information. There's no brownie points making it difficult to find, read and understand (those wanting the technical details will visit the Elitist Jerks web site for that).

This all comes down to presentation and polish. It separates A from AAA quality. And being satisfied in substandard communication doesn't help the game.

EvE needs it's own Wowhead. That site finally has a Blizzard CSM there, to ensure consistency with the official site. Same can be done with CCP (because if these devs ban players from the official sites [which can be a lot of players], they have to get the info from off sites! Duh!).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#207 - 2013-06-06 02:53:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
Drew Solaert wrote:
It's your own fault, these changes have been plastered everywhere since Feburary.

Everywhere except the one place it matters. In game.
Everywhere that matters, including in-game.

…not that in-game is a particularly normal or natural place for such information since it's commonly something that's posted on the official game website. Such as this one. Kind of like what they did with this information. Half a year ago. Actually, one and a half a year ago, if we look for the original announcement.
WRONG.
That news was never posted in-game, also doesn't matter when it was first posted here in the forums since the OP is only a few months playing this game.

In fact, the only thing that was ever posted in-game via EveMail was a message about voting for new CSM members.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2013-06-06 02:57:11 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Fact is, CCP posted about this in a lot of places over the past year.


And that's the problem.

Centralized source for information is critical. So centralized players know it as well as Evemon and Battleclinic.

So centralized that if you only followed one site, you're not in the dark.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
#209 - 2013-06-06 03:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: xavier69
Zaryte

after 7 years of playing eve, i am going to give you some advice, In the last 5 expansions they pretty much screwed over the players every year and call it an expac.

U can quit or you can train up the skill to get your ship , but one thing is for certain if you continue to play eve the devs will fuk you over that's almost like there job i think or at least what they believe there job description is

So realize this will be the first of many time dev peew you off and them tell you should worship them

telling you its your fault for not keeping up with their bullshet dev blogs.

i remember getting the skills for my intercept 2 days before need for speed went from 13km to 4km per sec in speed. i learned then not to put my eggs into any one basket a stupid dev can break




PS:
News flash I got better shet to do with my time than read your stupid blog dev =)
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2013-06-06 03:15:47 UTC
xavier69 wrote:
i remember getting the skills for my intercept 2 days before need for speed went from 13km to 4km per sec in speed. i learned then not to put my eggs into any one basket a stupid dev can break


And word to wise: notice those generalized ship skills like Assault and Heavy Assault Ships? Skill them to 5, because the scheme is breaking them down to racials. Just like they did with battleships, and now battlecruisers.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#211 - 2013-06-06 03:32:48 UTC
As I already pointed out (many) people are arguing a strawman. Regardless of when they posted the dev blog saying people who already trained would be screwed over, it still screws people over.

You can rationalize all you want. When you take something from people, they are going to object. You can call it whining if you so desire, but honestly that makes you a troll.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#212 - 2013-06-06 05:42:26 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Fact is, CCP posted about this in a lot of places over the past year.


And that's the problem.

Centralized source for information is critical. So centralized players know it as well as Evemon and Battleclinic.

So centralized that if you only followed one site, you're not in the dark.


And that centralised source is and always has been the devblogs.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#213 - 2013-06-06 05:42:58 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
xavier69 wrote:
i remember getting the skills for my intercept 2 days before need for speed went from 13km to 4km per sec in speed. i learned then not to put my eggs into any one basket a stupid dev can break


And word to wise: notice those generalized ship skills like Assault and Heavy Assault Ships? Skill them to 5, because the scheme is breaking them down to racials. Just like they did with battleships, and now battlecruisers.


Please do not misinform people. CCP have explicitly confirmed that the T2 skills will not be racialised.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jessie Davis
Horlan Logistics and Support
#214 - 2013-06-06 09:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie Davis
Patch notes are like T&Cs. You need to read it and be informed of upcoming changes.
Take it as a good lesson and move on.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2013-06-07 15:40:17 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:


Not to mention the SAME forums that have been talking about the changes for some time.

The SAME forums he came to in order to write up a complaint.


Before today i've never had a reason to come to these forums. This is the first time i've ever been here.



A normal response from someone learning something new would be "oh, well, damn. now I know" and would realize the learning process and growing pains associated...


Not give a reason or excuse.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#216 - 2013-06-07 15:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
WRONG.
That news was never posted in-game,
…aside from the launcher, the character select screen, the billboards. So no, it's not wrong. They posted it in-game. Don't confuse people missing it or wilfully skipping it with it not being there.

Quote:
also doesn't matter when it was first posted here in the forums since the OP is only a few months playing this game.
It doesn't matter how long the OP has been here since the information was available in the most common, logical, intuitive, and obvious source: the official dev blogs on the official website. These were then linked to from roughly a bajillion places — many of them in-game — from which people pick up not just this piece of information, but on the general idea that there is a central repository for this kind of info.

…not that they should need to, since it works the same here as it does pretty much everywhere else.

Ace Uoweme wrote:
EvE needs it's own Wowhead. That site finally has a Blizzard CSM there, to ensure consistency with the official site. Same can be done with CCP (because if these devs ban players from the official sites [which can be a lot of players], they have to get the info from off sites! Duh!).
Why is it better to have the information in two places — on of them not even being official — rather than have everything in one place? And no, just because you're banned from the forums doesn't mean you can't visit the site and get the information.

If anything, having an unofficial site that requires monitoring “to ensure consistency” seems to be a recipe for all kinds of incorrect rumour-mongering, such as the patently false idea that's going around that they're planning to split up the T2 skills…
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#217 - 2013-06-07 15:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Zaryte wrote:
Tippia wrote:


If you want to stay informed, make sure you stay informed. It's a very simple maxim.


I'll attack this from a different angle.

It's unfair to blame the victim who's been stabbed just because the person stabbing him said he was going to stab him.

Where i'm from we don't punish victims just for being part of the crime.

And if that wasn't a good example, what about this:

If a deaf/blind person is walking along the train tracks, do we say to him "hey, you're walking on train tracks!" or do we do alot more than that and move him off the train tracks.

These examples aren't brilliant but I don't know how else I can get my point across.



Terrible terrible analogy.

You aren't a "victim" in the same way. You did not have anything taken away from you. You missed out on an opportunity to take advantage of something offered.

You not getting that advantage is also not the same thing as a blind man getting hit by a train. You simply have everything else as BAU (business as usual).

In short, you are complaining of not getting a can of peaches at a discount because the supermarket did not deliver the coupon directory to your door where they simply put in an ad in a newspaper you chose not to read.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#218 - 2013-06-07 16:05:23 UTC
We had to know there would be many many people who had time to prepare but didn't come to the forums whining. To hell with them....

I see this exact same thing in the business world with unmovable implementation dates known well in advance and people who should know better after working on dozens of projects aren't prepared. We have a wonderful saying in the IT department...

"Your lack of planning does not make it an emergency on our part"...

Suck it up fewls...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#219 - 2013-06-07 16:23:45 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Yes you did. Yes it is. No they aren't and yes they are.

Furthermore the change was amply and repeatedly communicated through devblogs. What the hell else did you expect CCP to do? Send you a kissagram?

You screwed up, son. Suck it up and deal with it like an adult.


No I didn't. And I believe I am dealing with it "like an adult". voicing my concerns on the official EVE website is the correct reaction.

And how many times do I need to repeat myself. I don't read blogs. I don't even know what a blog is or what it's meant to even stand for. Players are NOT expected to go outside of the game to other websites doing research. That's just not how it works.



Then you will simply have to accept the fact you do not wish to make informed decisions for yourself, your ship, and your corp.

NOT a big deal, just don't try to continue with this blame game.

BTW, not to belittle you or anything.. but refusing to keep abreast of pertinent information is not very "adult". "Adults" choose to be responsible with their decision making and being able to make informed decisions is quite often important to that effect.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#220 - 2013-06-07 17:38:55 UTC
So why all the whining? Advanced Spaceship Command 5 is a great skill to have and will open the door to other ships. Such as....Jump Freighters.