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Awoxing & Dueling
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Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-06-06 14:39:20 UTC
only i think the TS is ghostly scary ?

as for awoxing , if aint broken dont fix it

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-06-06 14:49:58 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
But where is the risk when it comes to awoxing.

If you're not willing to provide risk the awoxer will encounter no risk.


So what you are saying is dont play and you wont get awoxed okay thats sounds like a good idea.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-06-06 15:01:22 UTC
an awoxer is one guy versus your entire corp

the odds are clearly in the awoxer's favor

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Dave stark
#24 - 2013-06-06 15:02:02 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
awoxing benefits everyone. no exceptions. So you better not recruit me.



Here I fixed that for you.



eh, i'm not an awoxer. any one who has seen most of my random postings on the forum knows i'm a miner.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-06 15:02:27 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I think "can shoot fellow corp members" should be a role. Any members with that role can shoot others with that role.

Or: I think the "kick member" command should stay a pending command to be automatically carried out when the member logs, docks, enters warp, jumps, or downtime occurs.

Also any AWOXer can get around the "check character history" vetting by starting or buying a new character.


hey you seem to really enjoy proposing all of these ideas to turn off pvp in highsec

maybe it's you and you need to find a different game more suited to your tastes, where you can turn off pvp whenever you want

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-06 15:02:59 UTC
man i'd really love this game if they'd only make all of these mechanical changes that are blatantly against the spirit of the game

let me stay subscribed to this game i so hate

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-06 15:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
there's a risk in recruiting any random idiot to your corp and there are ways to mitigate that risk

evewho, eve-kill, battleclinic, api jackknife - use all of these to determine whether there's a risk in recruiting any given applicant, and if they don't want to hand over an API key, turn them away

don't just click accept on whoever applies, spend like five minutes looking over their stuff and maybe you won't get your entire corp shut down by an awoxer whose thrasher you're scared to fight

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0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#28 - 2013-06-06 15:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
If CCP implemented a proper and functional war dec system then people would not feel the need to bring PVP to high sec AWOX style. A delayed local or just flat removing local in null & low sec would also quash null Awoxing too.

Currently if I see a group of targets ie a nice lush mining op that I want taken out my only viable option is to create an alt and awox them. If I war dec on my main I will only waste 50m ISK to see the whole corp scurry off to an NPC corp and then scurry back as soon as the dec is finished. In null sec my targets simply POS or dock up via scripts than tell them as soon as I'm in system so creating an alt & joining the allince so the bot thinks I'm blue is an option here too.

By locking members into war dec'd corps or having a war dec follow a player if they drop corp then AWOXing will become less popular.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-06 15:12:39 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
A delayed local or just flat removing local in null & low sec would also quash null Awoxing too.


what
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-06-06 15:15:08 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:


Currently if I see a group of targets ie a nice lush mining op that I want taken out my only viable option is to create an alt and awox them.



There is a thing called ganking but then you risk concord and we dont want that do we. Funny how you see awoxing as your only viable option. Pretty soon corps wont recruit anyone but still be part of a coalition group.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-06-06 15:15:57 UTC
I think that a better alternative would be to prevent players from joining another corp for n days after dropping out of a wardecced corp. Locking people into wardecced corps creates all sorts of problems: for example, I could effectively recruit a bunch of people into my own corp, then wardec it with a single member alt corp and set the tax really high.

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0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#32 - 2013-06-06 15:16:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
I think that a better alternative would be to prevent players from joining another corp for n days after dropping out of a wardecced corp. Locking people into wardecced corps creates all sorts of problems: for example, I could effectively recruit a bunch of people into my own corp, then wardec it with a single member alt corp and set the tax really high.



Or have the war follow them if they dropped corp, problem solved. CCP needs to grow some.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#33 - 2013-06-06 15:17:35 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:


Currently if I see a group of targets ie a nice lush mining op that I want taken out my only viable option is to create an alt and awox them.



There is a thing called ganking but then you risk concord and we dont want that do we. Funny how you see awoxing as your only viable option. Pretty soon corps wont recruit anyone but still be part of a coalition group.


and why would I want to lose a ship to concord? When I can just recycle 30 day chars to awox?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-06 15:21:26 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Pretty soon corps wont recruit anyone but still be part of a coalition group.


yes let's make up this false doomsday scenario where nobody recruits anybody anymore because everyone is an awoxer

that holds as much water as "if you don't nerf suicide ganking NOW, EVERYONE will unsub"

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#35 - 2013-06-06 15:45:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Question: What was the main reason to allow corpmates to shoot corpmates?

I am going to assume it was so you and your friends can partake in a friendly duel without concord intervention.

Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table? I can see the flames from here especially those safari kings but its a legitmate question. No I have not been the victim of an awoxer nor have I ever awoxed a fellow corpmate. I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.

Just my 2cts.


I have been the victim of a rather expensive awoxing (aka God's way of saying "use a naga you fool) in null sec. While it wasn't a corp (or even allaince) mate nor was it due to dueling, but the same rules apply. Awoxing is part and parcel of EVE's "trust no one" tradition and getting rid of it is anti-EVE.

If a corp doesn't liek awoxxing it should recruit better and train it's pilots to fly ships fit to resist or at least survive awoxxing attempts.


um, you kinda have to be in the same corp/alliance to get awox'd ...

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#36 - 2013-06-06 16:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
RomeStar wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:


Currently if I see a group of targets ie a nice lush mining op that I want taken out my only viable option is to create an alt and awox them.



There is a thing called ganking but then you risk concord and we dont want that do we. Funny how you see awoxing as your only viable option. Pretty soon corps wont recruit anyone but still be part of a coalition group.

"Soon" was like 9 years ago.
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:


Currently if I see a group of targets ie a nice lush mining op that I want taken out my only viable option is to create an alt and awox them.



There is a thing called ganking but then you risk concord and we dont want that do we. Funny how you see awoxing as your only viable option. Pretty soon corps wont recruit anyone but still be part of a coalition group.


and why would I want to lose a ship to concord? When I can just recycle 30 day chars to awox?

This is why "do not be a lazy recruiter" does not work. You can only see the history of the pilot, not the player.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-06 16:07:46 UTC
yeah nobody can get into corps anymore

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-06-06 16:35:38 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
This is why "do not be a lazy recruiter" does not work. You can only see the history of the pilot, not the player.


yes every awoxer creates and trains a new alt for every targeted corp

oh wait no they don't do that and they chainsmoke corps until it gets old

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-06 16:40:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Pretty soon corps wont recruit anyone but still be part of a coalition group.


yes let's make up this false doomsday scenario where nobody recruits anybody anymore because everyone is an awoxer

that holds as much water as "if you don't nerf suicide ganking NOW, EVERYONE will unsub"


Its not a false doomsday scenario its a good idea what are the benefits of being in a corp rather than creating your own corp and still playing with your friends in a coalition?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-06 16:52:33 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Its not a false doomsday scenario its a good idea what are the benefits of being in a corp rather than creating your own corp and still playing with your friends in a coalition?


I don't know ask eveuni, they seem to do fine with 3000 members in a single corp in highsec

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