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Awoxing & Dueling
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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-04 16:19:24 UTC
Question: What was the main reason to allow corpmates to shoot corpmates?

I am going to assume it was so you and your friends can partake in a friendly duel without concord intervention.

Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table? I can see the flames from here especially those safari kings but its a legitmate question. No I have not been the victim of an awoxer nor have I ever awoxed a fellow corpmate. I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.

Just my 2cts.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Meta Reloaded
#2 - 2013-06-04 16:21:46 UTC
No, because then proper awoxing would be impossible and EVE would die in a fire

I wear my goggles at night.

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Paul Panala
Tax Haven Form 1040
#3 - 2013-06-04 16:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Panala
I don't what to see it changed. My corp does practice PvP all the time, probably one of the most fun things we do! It would be a pain to keep track of who can legally shot or rep who.

What is the harm anyway? If you have a bad apple, kick him.
Haulie Berry
#4 - 2013-06-04 16:23:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
RomeStar wrote:


Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table?


No. Awoxing is not a problem.

Awoxing... is good.


Quote:
I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.


Oh. It's the idiotic lazy-recruitment officer argument again. Roll
Baden Luskan
Freeworlds Collective
#5 - 2013-06-04 16:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Baden Luskan
RomeStar wrote:
Question: What was the main reason to allow corpmates to shoot corpmates?

I am going to assume it was so you and your friends can partake in a friendly duel without concord intervention.

Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table? I can see the flames from here especially those safari kings but its a legitmate question. No I have not been the victim of an awoxer nor have I ever awoxed a fellow corpmate. I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.

Just my 2cts.


I wondered this too. I enjoy this game, and enjoy the PvP in it, however, I constantly roll my eyes when I see people who have to use gimmicky game mechanics to give themselves an advantage. I personally think they should fix this loophole and force the killbears (those who kill carebears) to actually seek legitimate fights.

Game developers have to realize that this behavior only drives paying customers away because they feel cheated, victimized, by the game mechanics.
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-06-04 16:33:17 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
I don't what to see it changed. My corp does practice PvP all the time, probably one of the most fun things we do! It would be a pain to keep track of who can legally shot or rep who.

What is the harm anyway? If you have a bad apple, kick him.



Correction, kill him, take all his loot, than kick him and post his soulless arse on the forums. But I agree, its an internal affair and Concord should not intervene.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-04 16:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
I joined a corp pretending to be a newbie & the CEO was mean to me, so I blew up his horribly fit Golem. He deserved it. CCP please don't take away my ability to punish meanie people.

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Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-04 16:38:54 UTC
Baden Luskan wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Question: What was the main reason to allow corpmates to shoot corpmates?

I am going to assume it was so you and your friends can partake in a friendly duel without concord intervention.

Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table? I can see the flames from here especially those safari kings but its a legitmate question. No I have not been the victim of an awoxer nor have I ever awoxed a fellow corpmate. I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.

Just my 2cts.


I wondered this too. I enjoy this game, and enjoy the PvP in it, however, I constantly roll my eyes when I see people who have to use gimmicky game mechanics to give themselves an advantage. I personally think they should fix this loophole and force the killbears (those who kill carebears) to actually seek legitimate fights.

Game developers have to realize that this behavior only drives paying customers away because they feel cheated, victimized, by the game mechanics.



If you want to talk about feeling victimized than how about we talk about the "Pay to Gank" war mechanics. Remember being new and one day the ceo tells you not to undock because you give away free kills and if they get kills they will reup the war! And why ? Because they payed, not because there was any just cause.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-04 16:44:01 UTC
But where is the risk when it comes to awoxing. Gankers take the risk of concord. I believe the greatest risk an awoxer takes is the potential of the rest of the corp showing up and doing what concord is too lazy to do.

Awoxing is no risk all reward. Yes their name is slandered all over the forums but only a small pct of players actually reads the forums.

TBH if you recruit an awoxer with a bad history of hitting his/her corpmates then its your own fault but why even give them a chance make them earn that kill.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-06-04 17:31:10 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
But where is the risk when it comes to awoxing.


The risk of failure.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#11 - 2013-06-04 17:41:57 UTC
I think "can shoot fellow corp members" should be a role. Any members with that role can shoot others with that role.

Or: I think the "kick member" command should stay a pending command to be automatically carried out when the member logs, docks, enters warp, jumps, or downtime occurs.

Also any AWOXer can get around the "check character history" vetting by starting or buying a new character.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-04 17:54:48 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
But where is the risk when it comes to awoxing.

If you're not willing to provide risk the awoxer will encounter no risk.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-06-04 18:01:42 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Question: What was the main reason to allow corpmates to shoot corpmates?

I am going to assume it was so you and your friends can partake in a friendly duel without concord intervention.

Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table? I can see the flames from here especially those safari kings but its a legitmate question. No I have not been the victim of an awoxer nor have I ever awoxed a fellow corpmate. I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.

Just my 2cts.


I have been the victim of a rather expensive awoxing (aka God's way of saying "use a naga you fool) in null sec. While it wasn't a corp (or even allaince) mate nor was it due to dueling, but the same rules apply. Awoxing is part and parcel of EVE's "trust no one" tradition and getting rid of it is anti-EVE.

If a corp doesn't liek awoxxing it should recruit better and train it's pilots to fly ships fit to resist or at least survive awoxxing attempts.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-06-04 18:08:02 UTC
Baden Luskan wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Question: What was the main reason to allow corpmates to shoot corpmates?

I am going to assume it was so you and your friends can partake in a friendly duel without concord intervention.

Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table? I can see the flames from here especially those safari kings but its a legitmate question. No I have not been the victim of an awoxer nor have I ever awoxed a fellow corpmate. I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.

Just my 2cts.


I wondered this too. I enjoy this game, and enjoy the PvP in it, however, I constantly roll my eyes when I see people who have to use gimmicky game mechanics to give themselves an advantage. I personally think they should fix this loophole and force the killbears (those who kill carebears) to actually seek legitimate fights.

Game developers have to realize that this behavior only drives paying customers away because they feel cheated, victimized, by the game mechanics.

Lemme ask you a question. In your experience do people robbing people do so to "fight" or do they do so to enrich themselves. Most fights in EvE are similar. This game is not Duelling Online or Fair Fights Online.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-06-04 18:14:06 UTC
Baden Luskan wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Question: What was the main reason to allow corpmates to shoot corpmates?

I am going to assume it was so you and your friends can partake in a friendly duel without concord intervention.

Now that dueling has been introduced, do you think its time to take awoxing off the table? I can see the flames from here especially those safari kings but its a legitmate question. No I have not been the victim of an awoxer nor have I ever awoxed a fellow corpmate. I think removing awoxing will actually help corp recruitment.

Just my 2cts.


I wondered this too. I enjoy this game, and enjoy the PvP in it, however, I constantly roll my eyes when I see people who have to use gimmicky game mechanics to give themselves an advantage. I personally think they should fix this loophole and force the killbears (those who kill carebears) to actually seek legitimate fights.

Game developers have to realize that this behavior only drives paying customers away because they feel cheated, victimized, by the game mechanics.


This simply demonstrates the fact that you are playing the wrong game. What you describe as a loop hole is in fact an intentionally designed orginal (as in 10 years old) feature of EVE Online. EVE isn't about fair, it's about victory.

Yes, EVE's non-consensual pvp and other elements can drive "paying customers" away, this is a good thing. Most of the video game/mmo world is built around the idea of totally catering to players and making sure their feelings don't get hurt to bad.

EVE says HTFU. EVE is misnamed, it should named Hell Online, then people wouldn't expect heavenly treats.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-04 18:18:39 UTC
Quote:


I wondered this too. I enjoy this game, and enjoy the PvP in it, however, I constantly roll my eyes when I see people who have to use gimmicky game mechanics to give themselves an advantage. I personally think they should fix this loophole and force the killbears (those who kill carebears) to actually seek legitimate fights.

Game developers have to realize that this behavior only drives paying customers away because they feel cheated, victimized, by the game mechanics.


I feel cheated and victimized every time the omipotent game mechanics of CONCORD shut down my warp drive, web, neut and kill me when engaging in an unscheduled fight. I also feel cheated when I pay 50mil isk to declare war on a corp only to have their members drop corp and instantly get out of the war. I don't get my isk back, but they continue on like nothing happened. The game mechanics in Eve are nonsensical in hisec and Eve is a terrible game.....except when compared to any other MMO.

A corp should be full of trusted employees. If you don't trust them, don't approve the app. There has to be at least 50 ways for an applicant to earn trust and several that take less time, effort and isk than for pirates to gank one orca.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-06-06 14:25:54 UTC
What awoxing is doing is creating loose alliances/coalitions of players inorder to avoid Awoxing. Its already started I have seen 5-10 one man corps who are all part of a coalition. This solves multiple problems not just Awoxing. One corp can pvp while the others do what they want without worrying about war decs or awoxing.

If alliances/coalitions go this route you will apply to a corp and they will tell you just create your own corp and join our coalition and chat channel and your in. This will also help keep the alliance/coalition members secret untill they see you all in a fleet together and figure out that you all are together.

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Dave Stark
#18 - 2013-06-06 14:30:22 UTC
awoxing benefits everyone. no exceptions.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-06 14:35:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
awoxing benefits everyone. no exceptions. So you better not recruit me.



Here I fixed that for you.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-06-06 14:35:42 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
But where is the risk when it comes to awoxing.

If you're not willing to provide risk the awoxer will encounter no risk.


confirming no one should undock without an escort ever, because of being blown up by their own corp mates.

this reminds me of an ep of BBT where they find the ring from LOTR

OP has a point, alliance mates cant shoot other corps now we have duelling we dont need to either, so why not remove auto-corp perma dual mode?

I dont have a problem with being awoxed if they really must try to kill me fine, but having a free ticket to perminantly is a bit wrong.

If you disagree its because you awox and like having it very easy and risk free - in a game that gives little to people that choose low risk ventures, this does not seem right.

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