Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Using the current Incursion system, you could implement a way to force Large Alliances, occupying too much space, to focus their resources and strategies towards protecting key systems that they actually want and use.

I've read some discussions about large alliances taking SOV in space that they never use just to prevent their enemies from obtaining resources. Which in turns prevents smaller to midsized corps and alliances from obtaining a foothold in space that will allow them to grow, which then allows them to fight their enemies, thus creating more player generated content/pewpew.

Some have had discussions on SOV system number limits but being a "sandbox" game this idea or method might intrude on that experience.
What I would propose is a system using the current incursion feature that would play out like this hypothetical situation below:

Large Alliance has vast amounts of SOV in systems rarely used or never at all.
Incursion takes place in said system and gets ignored...because no one is around to care.
Incursion fleet consists of the local faction NPC/RAT ship types, at first.....

So let's say after a "predetermined timer" has expired and the incursion has been allowed to escalate through its various stages impacting the system, but still, no one cares and they have been left "unchecked"
Now it's time to make someone care, and this could get very interesting and could go a various amount of different ways.

Incursion turns into Faction Siege Campaign in current system:
Stage1, At the NPC staging site, more gangs of sub-cap ships arrive and begin to position themselves in every asteroid belt.

Stage2, Once the predetermined timer expires and if the incursion is still active:
The NPCs begin to position additional waves of ships at each custom's outpost at every planet, until each one is in possession.

Stage3, Another timer has expired, no resistance met to push the NPC's back to their Staging site.
Then NPCs begin to position themselves in large numbers around the stargates and autoagro any and every player ship that comes through (no hesitations, attack on site/decloak) You could throw in that depending on said players faction standing toward those NPCS that the time before agro could be extended to a max of "x amount of minutes or seconds"

Stage 4, still escalating
At this point the NPCs (if applicable to the system) will also position large amounts of ships outside any/all Stations or Outposts. If the system has no dockable stations or Outposts, escalation proceeds to system purge.

Stage 5, system structure purge
at Stage 5, NPC capital ships are now forming on the staging site and will begin with a system wide purge/campaign of any and all player owned structures in the system.
Starting fist with industry upgrade structures
Next, any and all system SOV modules/structures anchored in system
Afterward, any and all POS's.

The NPC campaign will continue until the system has been cleansed and will remain in system for "x amount of days" before they begin to de-escalate operations and remove this lockdown on the system to release it back to the players.

The goal here is that to hopefully free up some systems that are just being wasted and could be put to better use by those corps or alliances that need it. This will also hopefully force large alliances to choose strategically, which systems they wish to retain. Also, dynamic game play from an NPC AI point of view, because honestly, the sit around and wait for you to shoot at me AI is really boring. NPC's should roam their system looking for targets to engage.

the solution is to free up space using a game mechanic that can be fun for all players, PvE and PVP both. obviously this situation could be exploited by a corp or alliance who would like to take that space, if the SOV owners were actually there to defend their system, then naturally the corp that has been eyeballing the situation can engage them.

how about you "get out" for being so narrow minded and not seeing the big picture people like you really are not contributing to anything other than you don't like it and can't think outside of the box so you want to be a troll

do you have a proposed solution to this commonly discussed problem? .....NO.... lol go away troll

i really don't see the reason for the name calling here, it's an idea, not something they are probably even thinking about or considering, so if you' dont want to contribute to the discussion constructively and maturely then go back to the general discussion thread.

There has been an awful lot of talk on the forums lately on how to get more players into null and more small to midsized corps to null and further discussions on how to make the game a bit more dynamic from both a PVP angle AND PVE angle. there are incursions in null, there are rats in null, there are plexes and anomalies....all PVE content. but the NPC's sit around doing nothing, it's unrealistic and boring. at most they MIGHT warp out of your belt

I will also be posting an idea for jovian space and exploration, keep an eye out for it if you want to help me bump my thread by trolling, if you dont like the idea, go away and my thread will get buried, so thank you for the help keeping my thread up top

Why, exactly, should a big alliance let a small neutral set up right next to them anyway?

What do you mean? Instead of logging in to go shoot some guys, we'd instead have to log in and shoot some NPCs before we'd be able to actually do what we wanted to?

And EVE is a PvP game, why should that be a surprise?

no.... >> Stop all moon goo production when Incursion is in effect

yes .. >> spreads to nearby constellations

They should strike other nearby constellations.

please also refer to my 2nd post. there are already some answers to your statement.

there are many people, especially carebears in highsec, playing eve just for the pve part. and they have fun doing it. there should be no need "by design" to switch to pvp to continue to grow in eve, discover new things and have fun in the game.

but some players might "evolve" and pursue pve in null later, liking the risk and rewarding space. dont be afraid that you, as apparently a pvp player, would be required to take care of the incursion. i would guess there are many people running complexes and stuff who will happily do it for you.

if you take a step back, doesnt it make sense to you that some sansha doing an incursion dont just come to the system to get shot by you? for sure they want to accomplish something: invade the system, block the gates, take SOV for themselves, build their own base. yet build their own capitals! once the AI is good enough and the content will be dynamic and random it will be also much closer to pvp and getting interesting. nothing compared to the stupid static L4 stuff and repeating complexes we have right now.

game lore (and so factions, NPCs, ... interaction - which is currently very much static and a joke) is imho a very necessary part of eve, it helps to submerge into the universe and only once you do you get taken by it. once you realize it is only a very static sandbox and it all revolves around doing pve for pvp you wake up and the magic is gone - at least to me and others i know.

i beg to differ, currently SOV is a pvp centric feature, actually it is a feature based upon the very lore of eve and valid to all factions. currently only made available due to the static nature of the sandbox and limited AI to null and FW.

currently there is a large gap between pvp and pve (not only in the required fittings): if you choose so, pve is not interacting with your eve life (which is unrealistic), contrary to pvp (principle of non-consensual combat anywhere outside highsec, ganking in highsec). the current game design is to go looking for missions or complexes that magically start hiding somewhere and wait for you to get raided, there you earn the ressources to do your pvp elsewhere. imho this is flawed. but so far it has been the only possible way as AI is too limited and everything is static.

to me, a perfect sandbox / simulation would incorporate the lore, be a world that is populated not only with players but also acting NPCs - outside of their pockets and sites. (you played once supreme commander? there is always some action going on around you, you feel like being part of a dynamic world). lots of things would belong to it: civilian transports flying around (which you could of course scan, gank, protect ,...), faction mining ships, faction corp production sites (ever visited roden shipyard? there is nothing there!), new stations being built, NPC corps gaining and loosing agents, agents payout based on players farming them. stations that can be blown up, new stations being built and you can help them to gain standing. faction navys making roams (also think about how FW could interact in all this!). missions triggering actions / new missions in other corporations and opposing factions - consequence! currently missions are all independent of each other, of who why where they are run! no more braindead L4 mission where 1 single BS goes out to kill pockets full of ships waiting to be plucked. instead gather intelligence on a realistic sized group of enemies (like what you can kill with 1 BS in pvp), get a scan on their fittings, fit accordingly and then get them. maybe some can flee, then you need to scan them down and find them to complete the mission. just some ideas... having decoded the data you retrieved gives you access to some prouction site in ememy territory which also triggers a defense mission on the other side...

if there are supposed to be evil rats and pve content in null, then it has to interact in the same way with your life pvp does (no rules there). be prepared for some NPC to play docking games with you, or that a small gang scans your mining site down and attacks you in there. no more safe and empty nullsec 10 jumps behind front lines. or some local NPC pirate gang starts a little gate camp. pve and pvp blend.

if CCP says there are incursions, and it is sanshas' named goal to take over the world and there is SOV to be claimed in null, then sure, they will try to do so. as you have supercapitals avail they will also try to build some. but hopefully in secret, not like it is now... maybe players fleets need to unite against a common enemy? once the threat is gone you will for sure start again to get on your throats again...
for sure, it is pretty stupid how incursions are implemented right now. you know frontup where an incursion is and they are sitting in their sites waiting for you. they should start in secret, small, in some system. building up a base in secret. make raids on you not vice versa. only if they get too powerful it becomes dangerous. you could track them down to a large home site (escalation)

type less, say more

******* wall of text burns my eyes

as for lore

you missed my point.....lore is....lore...its fake...fiction..not real....i.e. they can change it as necessary to accommodate game designs

I've said my part on everything else...you're just sort of reiterating previous stuff so no point in addressing it....i have no problem with adding cool pve to null sec, but making it a requirement for holding sov is about as farfetched as you can go

in my earlier post i mentioned that this activity would surely bring pvp players to the table, if a gang of sansha FW sympathizers are helping Sansha (due to positive standings), certainly players will come to PVP to counter those operations. so this promotes PVP as well. There is NPC null out there, so the idea of NPC's expanding their reach in NULL isnt too far fetched. maybe making it required would be too harsh, but then again how do you implement such an idea without making it required? what's the consequence if the SOV holding alliance doesn't counter the seige? My idea was mostly to create a way for large SOV holding alliances with over say 25 systems with SOV, have a bit of a consequence for absorbing mass amounts of space that goes unused. some people will take the PVP vz PVE stance, but that would be narrow minded. a well organized large alliance could jump in a fleet relatively quickly to make quick work of this siege.

I've been in Large SOV holding alliance (several times), and personally, i was bored. Once i was so deep in blue space, i rarely saw a red. You can rat, mine, plex and stuff but after awhile, what's left for you to do to break the monotonous and repetitive isk generating grind?

certainly there will be isk and pvp opportunities for:
Standings
Faction Loot
bounties?
spoils of war?

sounds fun to me, maybe not to someone who claims that they fund all their pvp operations on pvp. Eve's AI will have to evolve eventually, it's inevitable.