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CCP CEO SAYS CSM STRUCTURE MAY CHANGE DUE TO NULL-SEC SLANT

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Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#1 - 2011-10-21 17:32:13 UTC
CCP CEO INTERVIEW

Pertinent quote:

"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there."
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-10-21 17:35:37 UTC
already figured out how to abuse that system even more than we abuse this one :sun:

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-21 17:37:32 UTC
The Mittani sends his greetings.
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-21 17:38:50 UTC
Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-21 17:42:03 UTC
How nice.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-21 17:42:14 UTC
Josie Starshine wrote:
Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors.
And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has."

Slippery slope.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-21 17:43:51 UTC
It was a great interview tbh. I hope the CSM changes they only work for themselves not the community..........

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2011-10-21 17:44:19 UTC
IBTL.

Cross-posting and duplicate-posting is bad for you.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-21 17:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
I wonder if this has anything to do with PI products beginning to tick upwards a few days before public news of the changes to PI became known? NDA breaches perhaps?

Don't ban me, bro!
Ghoest
#10 - 2011-10-21 17:50:37 UTC
Well they seem to be responding to all the stuff I bitched about nonstop for the last year.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Vaffel Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-21 17:51:22 UTC
CSM can only blame them selves for not doing their job
gargars
Willco Inc.
#12 - 2011-10-21 17:51:43 UTC
Good news indeed. I always liked the idea of the CSM, but any council leaning too far one way or another is bad. Some change is needed so it's balanced. Hard to do, but since this year's CSM is so obviously biased, something needs to change.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-10-21 17:53:37 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Josie Starshine wrote:
Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors.
And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has."

Slippery slope.

just unplug TQ
Holy One
Privat Party
#14 - 2011-10-21 18:01:17 UTC
Hilly says a lot of stuff.

:)
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-21 18:01:18 UTC
Karadion wrote:
The Mittani sends his greetings.


Lol nobody else finds this hilarious? I can't be the only one that chuckles when reading this man's post.
Holy One
Privat Party
#16 - 2011-10-21 18:01:33 UTC
I just tend to look at what he does. Blink

:)
Myxx
The Scope
#17 - 2011-10-21 18:02:23 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Josie Starshine wrote:
Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors.
And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has."

Slippery slope.


I support this idea, ban all goonswarm members.
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-21 18:05:14 UTC
Hey look, its another one of these threads.

Stuff Goes here
The Offerer
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-21 18:05:46 UTC
CSM is formed by a democratic vote system that includes those players who care about the game, decide to get familiar with CSM candidate's programs and cast a vote for one of the candidates. The current state of CSM is no one's "fault" but the players that didn't like Goons and haven't done anything in order to stop them from taking over CSM.

- If there's an interesting candidate that was from another alliance/corporation/faction that some of you liked, you should have voted for that candidate.
- If there was no suitable program offered by any candidate and a large mass of players agreed upon certain topics, then you should have presented your own candidate with a program that covers those specific topics that you all agree with.

Either way, the democratic system and freedom of choice between the CSM candidates is not flawed. The logic that abstention is not the same as saying that you don't care who gets to be in CSM is flawed.

P.S.> No, I won't say if I voted for a Goon or not. I'm only saying that the voting was fair and went in the best democratic spirit. If you don't like the current CSM, next time take a couple of minutes to review the programs of the candidates and cast your vote.
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-10-21 18:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Josie Starshine
Karadion wrote:
Josie Starshine wrote:
Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors.
And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has."

Slippery slope.


Your statement does not invalidate mine though. Goonswarm is a known entity with a known agenda and there is nothing wrong with that.

The problem is when you use the CSM as a means to subvert all of EVE Online to that agenda while 'pretending', as a CSM member, to have EVE Online's best interests at heart .
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