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[W-space] Small (yet, game changing) improvements

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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#1 - 2011-10-21 17:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Asayanami Dei
Since Apocrypha was released in 2009 people have been populating w-space, setting up POS's, making a living from killing sleepers and eachother.
W-space is the end-game for many. We wouldnt change it for any other enviroment avaliable in eve.
CCP did an awesome job creating one of the best expansions ever.

But since 2009 there has been very little done to make w-space better, and there are many very small but significant flaws in the game mechanics that make living in w-space harder then it has to be.

Top 3 examples:

  • Ships comming out of a SMA have to recharge shields before they are useful.
  • T3 cruisers should be able to refit subsystems at a SMA or a Carrier (we were promised it would be fixed, never happend.)
  • Bookmarks, which are vital to any wh-dweller life, are insanely hard to be shared among (sometimes hundreds of) corp members.


First issue - imagine a scenario where you get attacked in our home system. You rush to your POS and the SMA, grab a shield ship, say a drake or tengu and... you have to wait 5 minutes for the shields to recharge before you can go and fight. This is not the case in empire where upon undocking you have your shields fully recharged. I doubt this is a hard thing to fix.

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Disagree with ships leaving the SMA with shields fully recharged.
Will just result in shield tanking always been the way to go, set-up large buffer tank, instead of having to wait for it to recharge, warp to POS, put in SMA, take out SMA, job done. Shield recharged at ultra speed. Massive bonus for shield tankers over everyone else. Armour doesn't auto-regen in SMAs so why should shields?
You could also have a shield booster fitted if this really gets to you..... or have a logi friend rep you up. Many other options which won't make shield tanking the only way to go in WH.

(...)

How about the shield ships leave the SMA at the same level the entered with? This would be equivalent. I'm not for eliminating shield recharge, just eliminating it while the ship is unpiloted.


Second issue was discussed enough times already, and a fix was promised, and I know CCP Devs were working on it, so, with no hard feelings - where is the promised fix? What happend?

Third issue is probably the most requested fix that every WH corp can stand by. It is really annoying to share bookmarks within the corp with the current game mechanics. It often takes a very long time to get them to the people that need them, and in w-space bookmarks are essential.

There are at least two things that could be done to fix the issue:

  1. Allow bookmarks to be stored "for the corp", which then show in a special tab of each corp member's people&places panel.
  2. Enable bookmark sharing through chat, exactly like you can share ship fittings. This would enable people to simply link the desired bookmarks, and click them, save them localy.

  3. enable copying more then 5 bookmarks at once (whole BM folders?)

Both mentioned on the forums and by CSM over and over again. Please make it happen.

I'm very happy to see some of the changes comming up in the winter expansion, awesome job. I just wanted to make sure some issues wouldn't get overlooked.

<3
Asayanami Dei.

I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

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Twitter: @asayanami

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Seifer Al'Masy
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#2 - 2011-10-21 17:22:50 UTC
Asayanami Dei wrote:

  • Enable bookmark sharing through chat, exactly like you can share ship fittings. This would enable people to simply link the desired bookmarks, and click them, save them localy.


  • If we could only get this, it would be a huge improvment regarding bookmarks.
    Ingvar Angst
    Nasty Pope Holding Corp
    #3 - 2011-10-21 17:30:46 UTC
    I figured I'd be giving you hell for nerfing wormholes. Instead, you nailed some fairly significant annoyances quite well.

    You earn a cheerleader.

    *\o/*

    Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

    Nova Fox
    Novafox Shipyards
    #4 - 2011-10-21 17:35:26 UTC
    other than needing to streamline the idea a bit more by mentioning the SMA fix on the fix portion, its a pertty good idea.

    However I do recall devs saying there is an issue with SOL node handeling changing ship geometry all of a sudden which is why tech 3 refitting has been delayed for long as it has in space.

    Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

    Asayanami Dei
    Adhocracy Incorporated
    Adhocracy
    #5 - 2011-10-21 17:38:57 UTC
    Nova Fox wrote:
    other than needing to streamline the idea a bit more by mentioning the SMA fix on the fix portion, its a pertty good idea.

    However I do recall devs saying there is an issue with SOL node handeling changing ship geometry all of a sudden which is why tech 3 refitting has been delayed for long as it has in space.


    But I bet there's more then one way of making it happen. For example you could store the T3 in the hangar, right-click it there, tell it to refit certain subsystems, board it again with the new subsystems, refit modules, done. no graphics engine magic required.

    I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

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    Twitter: @asayanami

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    XXSketchxx
    Sniggerdly
    Pandemic Legion
    #6 - 2011-10-21 17:39:44 UTC
    Came expecting a "GIVE US SOV" or "WE WANT MORE CONTENT" post and planned to troll.

    Was surprised to the contrary. Leaving very satisfied.

    I agree with everything you said, primarily because they are not limited to w-space. These nuances affect players all over Eve and should absolutely be fixed.
    Asayanami Dei
    Adhocracy Incorporated
    Adhocracy
    #7 - 2011-10-21 17:51:00 UTC
    Just like old time eve players often tell the story of how they didnt have 'warp-to-zero' I simply want to tell my future corpmates the story of how 'we had to copy every single bookmark MANUALLY!" Smile

    Like the topic name says, small, yet game changing feature.

    I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

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    Twitter: @asayanami

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    FourFiftyFour
    Adhocracy Incorporated
    Adhocracy
    #8 - 2011-10-21 18:03:12 UTC
    I think most WH players will echo the need for these changes.
    Memoocan
    Adhocracy Incorporated
    Adhocracy
    #9 - 2011-10-21 18:08:45 UTC
    Do it, CCP. I dare you.
    Charlotte Yakamoto
    Darkmoon Cult
    #10 - 2011-10-21 18:11:01 UTC
    Definitely supported, nothing that is more annoying and hated than the good old bookmark bin ;)
    Well, apart from maybe the shield recharge thingy.

    In other words. DOO EET CCP!
    Asuri Kinnes
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #11 - 2011-10-21 18:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
    XXSketchxx wrote:
    Came expecting a "GIVE US SOV" or "WE WANT MORE CONTENT" post and planned to troll.

    SOV? OH GAWD NO!

    And we do pretty good on the "content" end ourselves! TwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted

    Asay isn't a BS'r - these changes would be *very* much appreciated, and make life in WH's that much better!

    GJ Asay!

    Bob is the god of Wormholes.

    That's all you need to know.

    Maximille Biagge
    Hydra Eternal
    #12 - 2011-10-21 18:11:21 UTC
    All 3 points are great suggestions in my opinion and tbh none of them should require "too much" work.

    Has my support.
    Two step
    Aperture Harmonics
    #13 - 2011-10-21 18:11:45 UTC
    All of these issues have been raised by me (and many of them by other CSMs in the past). I am optimistic that at least some of them will be fixed this winter.

    CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

    Garr Anders
    EVE University
    Ivy League
    #14 - 2011-10-21 18:12:05 UTC
    /Captain Piacard voice
    Make it so.


    Joran Jackson
    The Red Circle Inc.
    Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
    #15 - 2011-10-21 18:17:38 UTC
    Confirming quality post, hopefully this stuff gets worked out.
    Samaah
    Black Rabbits
    Black Rabbit.
    #16 - 2011-10-21 18:23:26 UTC
    Supported.

    A clear and concise summation of major issues facing W-space dwellers, and a good many other non deep-space pilots.
    XXSketchxx
    Sniggerdly
    Pandemic Legion
    #17 - 2011-10-21 18:28:23 UTC
    Two step wrote:
    All of these issues have been raised by me (and many of them by other CSMs in the past). I am optimistic that at least some of them will be fixed this winter.


    Define some.
    Chaos Incarnate
    Faceless Logistics
    #18 - 2011-10-21 18:43:11 UTC
    XXSketchxx wrote:
    Two step wrote:
    All of these issues have been raised by me (and many of them by other CSMs in the past). I am optimistic that at least some of them will be fixed this winter.


    Define some.


    Corporate bookmarks are potentially on the table in the next few months, from what i hear. Probably not for winter, though.

    I'd think the subsystem swapping and the shield changes would go in for winter without much trouble, though...
    Two step
    Aperture Harmonics
    #19 - 2011-10-21 18:49:22 UTC
    XXSketchxx wrote:
    Two step wrote:
    All of these issues have been raised by me (and many of them by other CSMs in the past). I am optimistic that at least some of them will be fixed this winter.


    Define some.


    That is going to be up to CCP to do, I am bound by the NDA.

    CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

    Asayanami Dei
    Adhocracy Incorporated
    Adhocracy
    #20 - 2011-10-21 18:56:53 UTC
    Two step wrote:
    XXSketchxx wrote:
    Two step wrote:
    All of these issues have been raised by me (and many of them by other CSMs in the past). I am optimistic that at least some of them will be fixed this winter.


    Define some.


    That is going to be up to CCP to do, I am bound by the NDA.


    As long as they are trying to fix the problems, I'm happy. I'm really (Really!) happy to see some of the upcomming changes and features announced in the winter expansion. The thing is - we've been here before. Some of the stuff got fixed, many more issues were left alone and forgotten. I simply don't want to see that happening again, and I think most of the playerbase thinks the same.

    Hence this thread. New ships, hybrid and cap rebalancing - cool! but here's some stuff we asked you for too! Smile

    I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

    Youtube: /asayanami

    Twitter: @asayanami

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