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Caldari T3 Battlecruiser - New PVE King of The Hill?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#41 - 2011-10-25 23:07:55 UTC
Tash'k Omar wrote:
I get excited about my Tengu all the time.


Yeah. Because it does slightly more paper damage and dramatically more applied damage. This... won't.
Bloody Wench
#42 - 2011-10-25 23:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
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[DISCLAIMER] Info taken from latest test client data. Obviously this may/will change in release.

Oracle

Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret tracking speed and 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range per level.

95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets

Naga

Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Torpedo Velocity, 5% bonus to Torpedo explosion velocity, 10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range and 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.

95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers 58% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers

Talos

Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level.

95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets

Tornado

Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret Rate of Fire and 10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff per level.

95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Projectile Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Projectile Turrets



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Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-10-26 01:12:15 UTC
Optimal range bonus for caldari: **** yeeeaaahh...

No tracking bonus for Talos: **** yeeeaaahhhh....

Gonna get sniped by arty Tornados: **** yeeeaahhh...

Amarr are stupid: **** yeeeaahh....

Can't wait.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2011-10-26 03:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Headerman
A BC that can do 12k alpha... that's gonna be interesting.

I would have preferred a damage bonus rather than an opimal range bonus for the Amarr one too, but this keeps things interesting :)

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#45 - 2011-10-26 06:14:49 UTC
Desudes wrote:

Amarr are stupid: **** yeeeaahh....

Can't wait.


Range bonus and a tracking bonus for a ship that can use Scorch L is "stupid"? +37.5% tracking with a base optimal of 62Km doing 353 base DPS. Dear God. It's going to be the mid-range sniper from hell.

Well "stupidly good", I suppose.

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Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-11-01 23:57:39 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Desudes wrote:
Amarr are stupid: **** yeeeaahh....

Can't wait.


Range bonus and a tracking bonus for a ship that can use Scorch L is "stupid"? +37.5% tracking with a base optimal of 62Km doing 353 base DPS. Dear God. It's going to be the mid-range sniper from hell.

Well "stupidly good", I suppose.


I said, "Amarr are stupid", said nothing of the ship.


I do wonder how many people are going to have to get used to not screwing their transversal with these big guns' tracking while zipping around with their nanos.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Chira'Relael
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-11-02 00:32:06 UTC
Desudes wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Desudes wrote:
Amarr are stupid: **** yeeeaahh....

Can't wait.


Range bonus and a tracking bonus for a ship that can use Scorch L is "stupid"? +37.5% tracking with a base optimal of 62Km doing 353 base DPS. Dear God. It's going to be the mid-range sniper from hell.

Well "stupidly good", I suppose.


I said, "Amarr are stupid", said nothing of the ship.


I do wonder how many people are going to have to get used to not screwing their transversal with these big guns' tracking while zipping around with their nanos.


good to see you're putting people in their place
Songbird
#48 - 2011-11-02 00:34:37 UTC
no drones on the new BC's except for 25 m^3 in the gallente one. It will be kinda impossible to pve with torps only and no drones.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#49 - 2011-11-02 06:52:21 UTC
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
Sooo, what's your point of view on this matter?

BS sized missile launchers and damage.

BC sized hull.

Or will it totally suck since it doesn't come with TP bonus and cruise missiles are just absolutely horrible? Roll





I bet it got mentioned already about 100 times, but still. there are no t3 battlecruisers, we are getting tech 1 tier 3 battlecruisers.

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2011-11-02 18:04:48 UTC
As far as PVE goes they'll probably fill a role similar to what bombers are doing today.

Tricky to use solo, but excellent when you need to just bring extra DPS against largeish targets onto the field.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#51 - 2011-11-02 18:35:44 UTC
Songbird wrote:
no drones on the new BC's except for 25 m^3 in the gallente one. It will be kinda impossible to pve with torps only and no drones.

Indeed. Nothing OP with the Naga. Bonusses for Hybrids and Torps .. so no range advantage here. The only promising feature is the 8/6/4 layout which is one extra slot compared to the other tier 3 BCs.

I think I'll fly the Oracle a lot more often.
stoicfaux
#52 - 2011-11-02 18:47:52 UTC
And with HP that's a little bit better than a T1 cruiser, it wouldn't take much pimping for a t3 BC to become a loot pinata. Plus, it's easier to skill up faction BS4 than to get BC5, and BS4 should get you more effective firepower to boot.

I'm just not seeing the new BCs as being PvE friendly except in very specialized cases.

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Kaptain Kruncher
Gemini Technologies
#53 - 2011-11-03 08:30:15 UTC
I love when we have these threads about how epic or fail the new "ship, feature, skill, mod" will be when it comes out.

There is nothing more exciting than an argument that breaks out over the statement- "It will probably..."

You guys know that the balancing evolves right up to the release date.

Anyway- I will proudly fly my new Tornado in the face of all my PVE enemies and then get ganked by my PVP enemies, cause that's how I roll. Mainly because that friggin ship looks cool. And if you ever bother to look at my KB stats, you will see that fail fits and coolness has always reigned supreme over common sense and skill.
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-11-03 12:57:46 UTC
Songbird wrote:
no drones on the new BC's except for 25 m^3 in the gallente one. It will be kinda impossible to pve with torps only and no drones.



Newest update's suggesting no drones in any of them.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#55 - 2011-11-03 15:43:40 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Songbird wrote:
no drones on the new BC's except for 25 m^3 in the gallente one. It will be kinda impossible to pve with torps only and no drones.



Newest update's suggesting no drones in any of them.


I wonder if they did that to make these the ideal blob fleet ships. A thousand of these babies, especially if you don't have many missile spewing nagas in there, could be a lot lower lag than just about anything else you could fly.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#56 - 2011-11-03 16:51:54 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
kratos candre wrote:
From the blog, I'm guessing they will be pvp based.


That's quite possibly the most ignorant pubbie statement I have ever seen.

The only ship type that I can think of that was "designed" for PvE is marauders. All other ships are balanced around pvp. They just also happen to get used for PvE.


I'd really like to see how a nightmare is 'balanced' around pvp.

I should buy an Ishtar.
spacelumberjack
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-11-03 16:53:58 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Since when were large guns preferable to medium in typical pvp, outside of blobs?P

for ranged engagements obviosly
pussnheels
Viziam
#58 - 2011-11-04 21:30:46 UTC
They are designed for pvp first , mainly as Dps machines n using them for pvp will probably end in tears since they all lack a drone bay and have a weaker tank than the other BC ( according to the latest data available)
They probably too big and too slow to speedtank like a t3 cruiser and i don't think anyone wants to go in a lvl 4 missions with out drones and no possibility to kill off the frigs and close orbitting cruisers

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2011-11-05 05:30:09 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
As for PvP, a cruise/torp BC might spell the end of Drake blobs due to the Drake's sig bloom from shield extender rigs/modules.


Hellcats, Alphafleet and a few others already counter Drake armies pretty effectively, while doing everything else decently well.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#60 - 2011-11-05 07:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
Well it mite be good if the Winmater one do's not turn into a cheaper pocket sized verson of of a Machariel or Malstorm.

Becouse if it do's it will blow everyone alse out of the water.


Edit: Also I hear they have no drone bays so ya that will be bad for level 4 missioning with the only possable pass being a Winmater auto cannon set up as I dont have to use drones with my Malstorm/Vulger/ or Mach.


Edit: Though depending on the blaster changes and the tracking boost a Gallent blaster set up mite not need drones ether.Bear

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.