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Caldari T3 Battlecruiser - New PVE King of The Hill?
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Boris Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-21 17:11:29 UTC
Sooo, what's your point of view on this matter?

BS sized missile launchers and damage.

BC sized hull.

Or will it totally suck since it doesn't come with TP bonus and cruise missiles are just absolutely horrible? Roll
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-21 17:16:57 UTC
Who said that it WILL have missiles for sure? For all we know it might be a hybrid boat.
kratos candre
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-21 17:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: kratos candre
Well, cruise and seige missiles suck and hybrids are broken. So I'm guessing it well suck til the hybrid fix.


Cant wait for the amarr version tho!
Twisted
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2011-10-21 17:22:26 UTC
A torp version would be interesting but I'm betting its tank is going to be garbage.

I pictures this new class of ships as bc sized glass cannons, i.e. not very suitable for solo pve.
kratos candre
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-21 17:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: kratos candre
From the blog, I'm guessing they will be pvp based.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2011-10-21 17:43:04 UTC
kratos candre wrote:
From the blog, I'm guessing they will be pvp based.


That's quite possibly the most ignorant pubbie statement I have ever seen.

The only ship type that I can think of that was "designed" for PvE is marauders. All other ships are balanced around pvp. They just also happen to get used for PvE.
Goose99
#7 - 2011-10-21 17:49:04 UTC
Since when were large guns preferable to medium in typical pvp, outside of blobs?P
Sub Prime
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-21 17:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sub Prime
XXSketchxx wrote:
kratos candre wrote:
From the blog, I'm guessing they will be pvp based.


That's quite possibly the most ignorant pubbie statement I have ever seen.

The only ship type that I can think of that was "designed" for PvE is marauders. All other ships are balanced around pvp. They just also happen to get used for PvE.


Gibbon, any ship that has PVP specific stats is designed for PVP, not PVE.

EDIT: Check this out - you're typical of the 3rd entry down : http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pubbie
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2011-10-21 17:58:29 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
kratos candre wrote:
From the blog, I'm guessing they will be pvp based.


That's quite possibly the most ignorant pubbie statement I have ever seen.

The only ship type that I can think of that was "designed" for PvE is marauders. All other ships are balanced around pvp. They just also happen to get used for PvE.


ORE ships are designed for PvE too, Barges through the Rorqual :P (Yes, they can be used for PvP, as Marauders can too, but they were designed for PvE)

I have to agree with you though, most of Eve is balanced (albeit badly at times) around PvP.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2011-10-21 17:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: XXSketchxx
Sub Prime wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
kratos candre wrote:
From the blog, I'm guessing they will be pvp based.


That's quite possibly the most ignorant pubbie statement I have ever seen.

The only ship type that I can think of that was "designed" for PvE is marauders. All other ships are balanced around pvp. They just also happen to get used for PvE.


Gibbon, any ship that has PVP specific stats is designed for PVP, not PVE.

EDIT: Check this out - you're typical of the 3rd entry down : http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pubbie


u still butthurt bro?

ps: i hear urban dictionary is a great source for info, as I am surely a gay mormon stroking others' epeens
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2011-10-21 18:00:23 UTC
mxzf wrote:


ORE ships are designed for PvE too, Barges through the Rorqual :P (Yes, they can be used for PvP, as Marauders can too, but they were designed for PvE)

I have to agree with you though, most of Eve is balanced (albeit badly at times) around PvP.


I suppose I should have specified "combat" ships, but you seemed to have gotten my point.
Sub Prime
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-21 18:09:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sub Prime
Nope, your point was effing awful. Bonuses and stats define what a ship is good at or bad at. What the OP is saying as that the ship may well be PVP focussed - i.e. have bonuses and stats specifically for PVP, like recon ships for example.

You can PVP in most ships, but that certainly doesn't mean that all those ships are better as PVP ships than PVE ships.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2011-10-21 18:23:51 UTC
Sub Prime wrote:
Nope, your point was effing awful. Bonuses and stats define what a ship is good at or bad at. What the OP is saying as that the ship may well be PVP focussed - i.e. have bonuses and stats specifically for PVP, like recon ships for example.


And where do you think those bonuses and stats come from? Perhaps....devs trying to balance pvp?

As for "stats specifically for PVP," you are referring to "role specific ships" i.e. most Tech 2. Tech 1 ships were still balanced around...PVP.

Quote:
You can PVP in most ships, but that certainly doesn't mean that all those ships are better as PVP ships than PVE ships.

I didn't say they were better for PVP, merely that they were designed and balanced around PVP, just as this ship will be.

Reading comprehension is hard, amirite?
stoicfaux
#14 - 2011-10-21 19:37:51 UTC
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
Sooo, what's your point of view on this matter?

BS sized missile launchers and damage.

BC sized hull.

Or will it totally suck since it doesn't come with TP bonus and cruise missiles are just absolutely horrible? Roll



:looks at Raven:
Meh.

:looks at Torp/Cruise BC:
Meh.


As for PvP, a cruise/torp BC might spell the end of Drake blobs due to the Drake's sig bloom from shield extender rigs/modules.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ketplunk
Glory-Hole
#15 - 2011-10-21 19:42:29 UTC
T3 BC?
Goose99
#16 - 2011-10-21 19:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
stoicfaux wrote:
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
Sooo, what's your point of view on this matter?

BS sized missile launchers and damage.

BC sized hull.

Or will it totally suck since it doesn't come with TP bonus and cruise missiles are just absolutely horrible? Roll



:looks at Raven:
Meh.

:looks at Torp/Cruise BC:
Meh.


As for PvP, a cruise/torp BC might spell the end of Drake blobs due to the Drake's sig bloom from shield extender rigs/modules.


Shouldn't it have happened already? It's the same cruise/torps are Ravens...

Ketplunk wrote:
T3 BC?

As in Tier
Ketplunk
Glory-Hole
#17 - 2011-10-21 19:46:50 UTC
Quote:
Ketplunk wrote:
T3 BC?

As in Tier


Ooooh, my bad, have they been announced?
Sub Prime
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-21 20:14:55 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Sub Prime wrote:
Nope, your point was effing awful. Bonuses and stats define what a ship is good at or bad at. What the OP is saying as that the ship may well be PVP focussed - i.e. have bonuses and stats specifically for PVP, like recon ships for example.


And where do you think those bonuses and stats come from? Perhaps....devs trying to balance pvp?

As for "stats specifically for PVP," you are referring to "role specific ships" i.e. most Tech 2. Tech 1 ships were still balanced around...PVP.

Quote:
You can PVP in most ships, but that certainly doesn't mean that all those ships are better as PVP ships than PVE ships.

I didn't say they were better for PVP, merely that they were designed and balanced around PVP, just as this ship will be.

Reading comprehension is hard, amirite?


Jeez, the OP said that he/she thought it'd be a PVP based ship (i.e. its bonuses/stats would be more biased towards PVP than PVE).

Nothing more, nothing less. He/she said nothing about it being unbalanced PVP wise.

And saying T1 ships are balanced around PVP is laughable. Look at T1 Battleships and pirate faction ships for example.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#19 - 2011-10-21 20:41:42 UTC
Sub Prime wrote:


Jeez, the OP said that he/she thought it'd be a PVP based ship (i.e. its bonuses/stats would be more biased towards PVP than PVE).

Nothing more, nothing less. He/she said nothing about it being unbalanced PVP wise.

And saying T1 ships are balanced around PVP is laughable. Look at T1 Battleships and pirate faction ships for example.


The OP didn't say anything about this topic actually, but again sweet reading comprehension.

Anyway, my point was that the guy that originally said "it will be a pvp based ship" was being ignorant in the sense that ALL combat ships are "pvp based." In other words, all combat ships have their stats/bonuses tweaked to make them balanced for pvp, thus they are all "pvp based." He was implying that there are "PVE" based ships; this is foolish carebear speak for "THE RAVEN IS A PVE BOAT CAUSE ITS POPULAR IN LVL 4 MISSIONS."

As for T1 battleships and faction ships.....are you seriously that stupid?

Sweet white knighting though.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2011-10-21 20:55:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
BS sized missile launchers and damage.

BC sized hull.


I've yet to have seen a reason to get excited about Raven-level damage in a smaller hull that might just tank worse than the stumpy spacehawk itself.

Edit: And don't even get me started on what an absurd waste a pocket Rokh would be. Maybe with the hybrid buff it could be a reasonable idea, but good god not now.
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