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Akemons and Michi's
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TheCannon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-21 17:07:21 UTC
Hi guys and gals, I need some help please.

I've done both of these fantastic cosmos missions before, however, my friend is now struggling with them. I previously done them with 7 amarr factions standings and 6 caldari faction standings --- with connections on 2 accounts!

He has the same standings as me, if not higher again over 7 and 6 with connections.

I have checked every guide and they all say that I am correct, however the agent Akemon will NOT speak to him within the mission despite all npcs being destroyed in the current pocket where he is, he just said "sorry no jobs available" etc etc.

My immediate response was that he doesn't have the required standings. The agent no longer falls in the category available to you either, so can someone please inform me the required standings or what he is doing wrong........

Have they increased the standings required for these agents since the update?
How long does connections level take to kick in to actually affecting agents in game, as he recently trained connections to level 4 after downtime - it has been completed???

Thank You Very Much
Any help will be appreciated..
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-21 18:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
I haven't heard about any standings change. I have heard about Cosmos and Epic Arc agents being buggy for the past couple of weeks. Maybe even a bit longer.

Now if he just finished training level 4 connections and just got the standings for access, he might have to do a relog so the server can be reset.

After that if still no access, I'd file a petition ingame.

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Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#3 - 2011-10-21 23:22:46 UTC
I petitioned this a few days ago, the GM's answer was that Akemon now requires you to be referred by another agent.
Probably in the Amarr Cosmos chain.
TheCannon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-22 00:22:27 UTC
Just out of curiosity, what level were your standings when you tried this mission? - Both with and without connections. I too have petitioned it as well as my friend, as they're is little to no *recent* data on this agent anymore. As well as, he is not on the public wiki cosmos list.

Michi's however, I'm glad to say works fine still.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-22 09:42:49 UTC
Akemon requires 7.5 Amarr Navy standings, unmodified. Your faction standings do not matter.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-22 12:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
I petitioned this a few days ago, the GM's answer was that Akemon now requires you to be referred by another agent.
Probably in the Amarr Cosmos chain.

and
Boma Airaken wrote:
Akemon requires 7.5 Amarr Navy standings, unmodified. Your faction standings do not matter.

No, just did this mission chain a couple of weeks ago and neither of these two conditions were fulfilled.

But, there is something buggy about COSMOS agents and their required standings but I have not been able to figure out what exactly yet.

My suspicion is that the COSMOS agents have gone unaffected by the reduction in standing requirements. As Akemon Tolan used to have quality 20 you properly need at least 7.00 in Amarr faction or Imperial Navy standing before he will give you a mission.

EDIT: Zabonn Michi had quality 0 and as such requires 'only' 6.00 in standing before handing out a mission.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#7 - 2011-10-22 12:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nadine Le'Slut
I was on 7.24 with the Amarr faction and 2.5 with the Amarr Navy Corp (both modified).

@ Boma Airaken: since when is that so?
Guides that pop up on Google differ from stating a requirement from 6 to 7 with the Amarr faction.

Anyway, i'm not sure the GM gave me the correct answer. A strong hint to the Navy Corp standing requirement is that the effective standings shown in the conversation window were my Amarr Navy standings (2.5).

Another note, my second character gets "work your way up the ladder" with an effective standing of 1.8 modified.
But he also has only 3.35 with the Empire.

The showinfo window there also states a standing requirement of greater than 5.0 for either personal, corp or faction.
Same window on my main : "offers missions to any pilot meeting standing requirement"

Wild guess: Since the agent changes, you need above 5.00 faction and 7.5 navy corp standings (modified)?
Dallina Sarum Mahyisti
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-22 13:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dallina Sarum Mahyisti
Amarr Navy standings are automatically affected by the faction standings themselves. Thats the advantage of faction standings!!!!! If you have 7 amarr faction standings, and the requirement is 7 with imperial navy, the amarr factions standings will take care of it for you. As long as the corporation is under the amarr faction.

If this is not the case with this agent, it is completely unfair.................. as this principle applies to every other one out there.
You do not need individual corp standings for anything if you've got stupidly high factions standings with every faction.

Just to confirm

I did akemon's around a year ago with my friend, when we both had 7.25 amarr faction standings via connections. They were under 7 without connections - To clear up the whole standings thing.

Jowen Datloran - If you did the chain a few weeks ago, can you tell us what standings you had with both

Amarr Faction
Caldari Navy
Amarr Navy

Both unmodified and modified with connections please.
That will give everyone insight to how to get this mission, as you seem to be the most recent one to complete it.

Thank You
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-22 15:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
For the past couple of months we've had a lot of 'Fix it' patches being installed. After each patch, different Event Agents have become very buggy. All kinds of problems have been reported about them ranging from having no access to not giving Faction standing increase. Not to mention reports of other buggy stuff happening in Eve as well. Due to these reports, I haven't accessed any agents during this time.

Now we're getting a bunch of conflicting statements being posted about standing requirements to access Event Agents.

Fact - We all know that Cosmos Agents require a set amount of Faction standing for access. I'll admit the last time I accessed Cosmos Agents was 4 months ago, about a month or so after the new Agent Reconstruction Expansion.

According to Dev Blogs and my own experience, this was the standard setting for the agents after the new Agent Reconstruction Expansion.

1) All Agents, except for the Cosmos Faction Ship offers, will accept modified standings for access.

2) All Agents, except for the Cosmos Faction Ship offers, will accept the new lower standing requirement.

I accessed Level 4 Cosmos Agents with these Faction standings.

Empire Faction Standings............Modified.................(Base)
Minmatar Republic.............................+5.29....................(+4.11)
Caldari State.....................................+5.28.....................(+4.10)
Gallente Federation...........................+5.23.....................(+4.04)
Amarr Empire....................................+5.19.....................(+3.99)

In light of the recent internal cutbacks of CCP's work force and the reshuffling of GM's and Dev's to different projects and departments, it wouldn't surprise me at all if misinformation is now being sent (unintentional of course) in the replies of various petitions.

I know for a fact that ever since I've been doing Cosmos missions, the Event Agents have always accepted modified standings for access. Another fact is I have accessed four different Level 4 Cosmos Agents using modified standings at the new lower agent standing requirement.

I haven't seen any new Dev Blog or patch notes saying anything about changing agent standings for access. I might have missed it or maybe it's a recent stealth change. I don't know but I'm more inclined to think it's bugs and misinformation. I guess I could always go check another Level 4 Cosmos Agent.

What we actually need is an Official statement from a CCP Dev.

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Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#10 - 2011-10-23 11:39:07 UTC
anyone have some more recent information regarding those two agents?
Zabonn Michi works great, did his missions yesterday with an effective standing of 2.0 with Mine Drill (Caldari 8.9), both modified.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-23 19:32:40 UTC
Dallina Sarum Mahyisti wrote:

Jowen Datloran - If you did the chain a few weeks ago, can you tell us what standings you had with both

Amarr Faction 8.31 (8.08)
Caldari Navy 6.89 (6.47)
Amarr Navy 4.81 (4.10)

These standings are of course AFTER I completed the missions but not really relevant.

The missions were completed on the 2011.09.26

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

TheCannon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-24 19:29:04 UTC
Alright, i've been told by a GM in my petition, that you need 7 unmodified whether it be amarr faction or imperial navy standing.

I will be testing this hypothesis with my friend shortly, however, within the petition response, my friends amarr faction standings were mentioned at their current level which was 6.8 unmodified - not his imperial navy standings.

So yes, faction standings can still supersede certain corporation standings.
TheCannon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-24 22:35:21 UTC
Confirming the mission can be acquired at 7 amarr faction standings unmodified

24/10/2011
Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#14 - 2011-10-27 01:25:49 UTC
sadly i cannot confirm this :(

i relogged after acquiring > 7.0 amarr faction standing just to make sure.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-27 02:34:24 UTC
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
sadly i cannot confirm this :(

i relogged after acquiring > 7.0 amarr faction standing just to make sure.

STOP!

Petition time.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-27 05:35:10 UTC
More than that; it's bug reporting time.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#17 - 2011-10-28 06:12:29 UTC
why hello again.

i petitioned and got an answer last night, the standing requirement is now 7.5 for Amarr Empire (unmodified).
crap i used up all my datacenter agents to raise it above 7.0, so i cannot confirm this quickly.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-28 11:37:02 UTC
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
why hello again.

i petitioned and got an answer last night, the standing requirement is now 7.5 for Amarr Empire (unmodified).
crap i used up all my datacenter agents to raise it above 7.0, so i cannot confirm this quickly.

What?!? That makes no sense... 7.5 is a level 5 quality -10 agent, what kind of odd number is that?

I know the reason why COSMOS never got any additional attention was because the content touched many game mechanics and tend to go broken whenever CCP 'fixes' somethign somewhere else, but dang, I wish we could AT LEAST get a clear answer if these obvious changes are intentional or a bug.

Just like the missing faction rewards from the epic arc missions are the GMs absolutely clueless on this topic too. Proberly because they are not being informed of anyhting either.

I must encourage everybody who encounter these issues not (only) to do in game petitions to the GMs, but write bug reports so hopefully a developer will take notice. Bug reporting is done here.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#19 - 2011-10-28 12:21:36 UTC
given the great rewards, i guess CCP nerfed Akemon's standing requirement in order to limit the number of hardwirings/smokescreen cloaks available on market.

regarding standings, Akemon seems as special as the three COSMOS agents that give out those 2run navy ship BPCs.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-10-28 13:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
given the great rewards, i guess CCP nerfed Akemon's standing requirement in order to limit the number of hardwirings/smokescreen cloaks available on market.

regarding standings, Akemon seems as special as the three COSMOS agents that give out those 2run navy ship BPCs.

Perhaps, but game changes done on purpose are supposed to go to the patch notes.

Anyhow, Akemon is not the only COSMOS agent with this issue (my issue is with a level 3 Angel agent), so that does not tell much.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

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