Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't put words into CCP's mouth. Cherry picking over his words to suggest that he agrees with you is very disingenuous.

I watched that, and his point was not removing local would be bad, but that it performed a function as an intel tool that would need to be replaced and verified as viable as a replacement.
And he also specified that null / empire / wormholes were all completely different play experiences.

It is highly misleading to claim the only significant difference between Null & WH space is the presence of local chat.
The suggestion moving to WH space solves this interest for null players is equally foolish.

For those who may not be aware of differences beyond local:
How else is Null different from a WH:

Live and stable gate connections to other sections of space, and between internal systems.
Outposts, NPC and player built both. This includes the sub category of med clones and jump clones as an additional difference.
The Market. Present in all it's glory, even if only stocked by player activity and some minor NPC items.
Cyno capability, both covert and regular.

Then this has no impact on you, why are you interfering with other play styles?

i am not suggesting that WH space is the same as null except local, i am just saying that if someone hates local so much that he has to stick his remove local as the solution to everything that he would be better off to move to WH space that are my words and nothing less and nothing more

INTEL IS GOOD. PERIOD. Think like that. We here on Earth, in this modern age, we have a social security number, a home address, medical status, schools we went, work history, data is created and collected about you since the day you are born and lots of stuff about you can be found on internet or other places if you know what and where to look for. Also every electronic device that is connected to the internet or to a network collects data about you. These days you can't live and not be known about.

EVE IS FROM THE FUTURE. You think in the future people will stop collect data? In EVE you are born in a stations made by men, you fly ships made by men, travel through gates made by men, live in a community formed by men, data is being collected about you whatever you like it or not. Local was made so we all find out about each other existence, to get to know each other and to bond.. or hate each others. It's a very useful and normal intel tool in a MMORPG. How do you think people would got to know each other if local wouldn't existed at all? We would all convo each others in stations? Spamming few thousand of players in one NPC corp chat? Dropping cans in space and naming them "hey i was here"? This all "local is bad" is pure bullshit. We would all be living in dark without knowing of each other existence. Having intel about your existence and presence is very normal and GOOD. You want people in EVE to not know about you? Then delete your eve client.

Thank you for spelling that out so neatly. It saves me from needing to establish many of those points myself.

You misunderstand if you assume I want players acting without intel.
You are also confused if you think I want to collect kill mails. I am a miner.

I want the miners in other corps to explode more often, so I can make the effort they failed at and compete.
My ore sales have more value when they don't have ore to sell.

As you point out we have high technology, and amazing automated potential.
Yet we find PvP to be disturbingly manual in orientation. We know from NPC examples that they can perform ship control at many levels of skill with automation. From easy to beat up to coordinated and lethal.
But we want to compete, and so it is under our control.

Then we have intel. Local hands it to us, in such a reliable and absolute form, it is possible for PvE pilots to use it and avoid all hostiles so long as they prepared.
The PvP pilot cannot counter this, but they can cloak and force a stalemate of frustration.

We should have intel tools requiring effort to use, and as such allowing us to fail to use them when needed.
The side with the best effort will have an advantage when they PvP then, it would not hand them free kill mails. But it would help them earn these, if they did it right.

An AFK//Idle set button for Corporate Chat would be appreciated. Other then that its useless, why should you feel safe because it automatically ticks him as inactive if not moving a cursor etc. That being said, being able to say to everyone in your corporation "I'm not here, leave me alone" - could be useful.

At this point it is what it is. it wont never change face it.

Local both helps attacker and defender in the system.... just pay a bit more jam the system... and fit neuts :)) plus smart bombs.. align to Starbase and or Safe.... If you mine well find other system he will have too move then kill him in between gates.. face it you will have to pvp in null sooner or later work.. smarter not harder....

Why should you gain more intel? What are you prepared to sacrifice, in order to gain this extra power?

So you want him to bounty himself?

I don't care as long as he doesn't get his bounty back if he commits suicide.

Argh! Another groundhog day post.

Ok, for those of you that think that having an "AFK" flag on people that aren't at their computer is a good idea let me explain several reasons why it's not.

1) I have a coaster that has a rather complex reflective internal which shifts. It's supposed to look pretty when the light hits it, which it does. I've found that if I put an optical mouse on it it makes the mouse move ever so slightly in random directions which fools programs which check for user input into thinking I'm there all the time. I've also got a very slightly broken mouse that moves ever so slightly in the upward right direction. Both these methods (and I'm sure there are more which don't count as botting) would mean I could appear active to all in system even when actually AFK. This is WAY worse than the situation you have at the moment as it actively gives false intel.

2) I could have a cloaked force recon in a belt with an "AFK" flag. No one can see me, everyone thinks I'm not at my keyboard but when a miner warps to the belt to mine he sure gets a shock as the AFK person suddenly uncloaks and locks him up. Yet more false intel.

You see, whilst you might think that an AFK flag would let you rat/mine in peace, safe in the knowledge that the potential attacker isn't actually there, your potential attacker will just find ways of using that intel source to their advantage and you'll just come to the forum to whine about how it's unfair that the intel method you'd demanded doesn't work how you want it to.

Whilst I'd love this to be added to the game so I can shoot you, I don't think it's a good idea for the game as a whole so I'm going to ignore my personal wishes and go with -1 to the OP. Bad and completely unoriginal idea.

Oh, and please, for the love of god, search the forums and post on one of the threads that has been made before about this very thing rather than creating a new thread on it. I would ask how many times this needs to be said but the answer is "as many times as there are fools in the world" so I won't bother asking it.