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About the Eos' model

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Odellia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#521 - 2013-08-05 19:31:50 UTC
I think the forum ate my post.... ?

I know I'm late to the party, and after reading almost all of the posts I sit in the vast minority. But over the years I have seen changes proposed that have made me want to strangle CCP, but have for the most part kept my mouth shut. This one though, requires my first post to the forums.

As a drone pilot, when the myrm was first introduced I was hands down all for it. Flying the vexor, even after the it's huge nerf (max 12 drones to max 5 drones), was still my go to for many years. I have loved drone combat, even with all it's downfalls, but after flying the myrm for a while it quickly became my most hated hull, next to the Dominix. It looks nice when it's standing still, but as soon as you turn, it turns from cool monolith of death to stupid, wtf sideways wing. weaving back and forth on some god awful off axis, and the damn texture seam running down the middle make it look incomplete, ugh. My only consolation prize for a sub battleship drone hull was the Eos but it was out of reach due to skills. So, I sold the Myrm and kept flying the vexor until I could fly the Ishtar. I eventually was able to fly Eos but quickly found that it was complete suck as both a gun ship and a drone ship. I put the Eos in mothballs and went back to the Ishtar again and eventually the flying potato (Dominix) for level 4 missions.

Now that these changes are coming plus the changes to rails, I'm really looking forward to pulling the Eos out of mothballs and putting it on the field again, but as a myrm hull, HELL NO. I'll fracking reprocess it before I fly another Myrm, no matter the paint job. I may even go as far as to buy them just to reprocess them to avoid seeing them on the field.
Again, it feels like CCP is handing me a cookie as a drone pilot then slapping me in the face when I reach for it.

If CCP plans on changing the hulls anyway with new art, then don't bother changing them now. Leave the Eos as is until the new art is ready, then we will talk, and maybe I won't spend my time playing eve reprocessing every Eos I find, but if it is just a derivation of the Myrm, don't bother. Spend the time redesigning the Dominix instead which is old and just as ugly.

As far as the Nighthawk is concerned, I've loved the Ferox hull for as long as I could remember. Changing to the Drake is just rather lame. It's not that I hate the look of the drake, but on the contrary, I'm rather fond of it. But the nighthawk has always had the feeling of being a beast/brawler and the Ferox hull matches that feeling perfectly. The drake is more of a sleek, long range, kiter, which does not match the feeling of the Nighthawk at all.

With the minimitar CS and Amarr CS, I really don't care either way. I dislike the fat chicken and the Harbi hulls equally, and the Cyclone hull always felt like it was flying backwards anyway, so after flying them I sold them almost the same day.

Again, if the new hulls are going to be changed anyway with new art, don't bother changing them now with old hulls and new skins. It's not enough. If the new art is just slapping antennae or little bits to the old hulls, give the artists something else to do.
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#522 - 2013-08-05 19:41:46 UTC
I LOVE THIS!!!

+1
+1
+1

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#523 - 2013-08-05 20:13:25 UTC
I would like to see the updated models with something like an added "Flag bridge" separate from the standard bridge. I think it would make it look like something a Fleet Commander would be flying.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#524 - 2013-08-05 20:35:07 UTC
Please don't change the Sleipnir.

It's awesome just the way it is and my love of the model gave me the resolve to train for it.

The " AC equals Hurricane" argument is moot, since the other defining characteristic of the Sleipnir is its active shield tank; shield boosting is still very much Cyclone territory last time I checked.

Don't even think about switching it to HAMs though.. just leave it as is.

In the unlikely case some newbie drops a sub over discovering a certain model is an exception to some arbitrary rule of consistency, **** him.

You are very welcome to change the rest.
Bubba Bacon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#525 - 2013-08-05 20:37:36 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Mourning Souls wrote:

Yes!
Hell yes!
Please no, Damnation would be very cool though.
I don't like the Drake hull, but it could look cool so I'm okay with it.


The Drake would probably look something very close to this.

http://i.imgur.com/zBvXe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hqeaQ.jpg

Also, a Hurricane Sleipnir would probably look close to this.

http://i.imgur.com/hiZTG.jpg


Shocked Wallpapered Shocked
Marwolaeth Arglwydd
Alternate Powers
#526 - 2013-08-05 20:45:34 UTC
I agree to this idea
Maraner
The Executioners
#527 - 2013-08-05 21:24:06 UTC
Tuff one to be honest.

I love the current Sleip look. But I would like to see the other command ships use the suggested hulls from Fozzie's post. SOOoo

YES please.

Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#528 - 2013-08-05 21:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeril Malkyre
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

  • So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
    +1, this is an excellent choice. I love the Cyclone hull, but variety is always preferable.

    Edit to add: The Hurricane hull would make more sense as the Claymore Big smile
    Throktar
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    #529 - 2013-08-05 22:01:42 UTC
    This is tough because I just love the Absolution model, but it would be neat to see the hulls more varied.

    +1, go for it.

    Ammut Irvam
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #530 - 2013-08-05 23:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammut Irvam
    Well chances are I'm not gonna get listened to at all because everyone else is so happy about this change but I'm gonna give my feedback anyways even though it's not like its gonna matter.

    I say NOOOOOOOOOOOO 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999x in to an infinite loop.

    Why? Because this is seriously the dumbest change ever... The current ships look fine how they are like really.. their is NO point to change them just because were basing them off an "Attack Variant". EVE has been around for 10+ years and nothings ever changed in the past 10 years why should we change it now. LEAVE **** ALONE jesus.

    If ANYTHING was to happen to T2 Ship Models ever it should be completely new models. Not ones based off models already in the game.

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    With that being said above, If this change DOES go through which I imagine it probably will seeing is it seems the general consensus of the community likes it.

    PLEASE leave the Sleipnir, Nighthawk & Abso alone

    I think they are fine the current way they are. The rest of the changes are fine.
    Doddy
    Excidium.
    #531 - 2013-08-05 23:16:33 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

  • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    You get my vote Mr Obama.
    Doddy
    Excidium.
    #532 - 2013-08-05 23:18:28 UTC
    Aeril Malkyre wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

  • So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
    +1, this is an excellent choice. I love the Cyclone hull, but variety is always preferable.

    Edit to add: The Hurricane hull would make more sense as the Claymore Big smile


    No it wouldn't ..... Claymore uses missiles, is clearly the cyclone.
    Doddy
    Excidium.
    #533 - 2013-08-05 23:22:32 UTC
    Odellia wrote:


    As far as the Nighthawk is concerned, I've loved the Ferox hull for as long as I could remember. Changing to the Drake is just rather lame. It's not that I hate the look of the drake, but on the contrary, I'm rather fond of it. But the nighthawk has always had the feeling of being a beast/brawler and the Ferox hull matches that feeling perfectly. The drake is more of a sleek, long range, kiter, which does not match the feeling of the Nighthawk at all.



    Bit weird to base things off your feeling when that feeling is the polar opposite of what the ship is. I mean the nighthawk had the bonus for specifically the long range missile system and has less ehp than the drake which was always great with hams yet you thought it "felt like a brawler in comparison". Isn't that just you being weird?
    Kentucky Nightmare
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #534 - 2013-08-06 00:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kentucky Nightmare
    The (formerly) Tier 2 BC hulls are some of the best looking hulls in the game. Anything to see them more often, not to mention in new colors, is a good thing in my book.
    Arien Fyre
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #535 - 2013-08-06 00:58:48 UTC
    Really feeling like the minority of the forum here but i am very strongly against changing the EOS model, and others for that matter.

    How a ship looks does play a big part of training for a ship. And i like the EOS and hate the Myrm.
    I even thought the EOS has been around longer then the Myrm.

    I could be wrong here and would like someone to clarify, but i cannot recall at anytime in EVE a ship has had its model swapped for another ship. its a drastic change.

    I do recall the stealth bombers got a model update - however the difference there is an entirely new and unique model was given to them.

    Again, feeling very strongly about this.
    Aglais
    Ice-Storm
    #536 - 2013-08-06 01:05:56 UTC
    Three subpar Drake hulls. Just what EVE needs.
    Praetor Hartgan
    Angel's of Death
    #537 - 2013-08-06 02:27:29 UTC
    Wonderful Idea. +1 Yes please!
    Bayushi Tamago
    Sect of the Crimson Eisa
    #538 - 2013-08-06 05:22:00 UTC
    I would fly the **** out of a t2 drake, cane, or myrm. Not sure how I feel about the harbinger, but if it is done right I would probably train up lasers just for it.
    Little Dragon Khamez
    Guardians of the Underworld
    #539 - 2013-08-06 09:57:48 UTC
    +1 lets do it based on the drake/nighthawk change alone.

    Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

    Tess La'Coil
    Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
    #540 - 2013-08-06 10:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tess La'Coil
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    Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother.