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Gabriel Karade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#461 - 2013-07-08 18:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Karade
Also if you open this can of worms what about the interceptors? what about assault frigates?

Changing things for the simple "I want a pony" [T2 Drake] attitude/reasoning would be really stupid. By all means as a role evolves, give us those choices, but don't screw the background (i.e different manufacturers taking a standard hull and modifying to their own requirements) in the process.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#462 - 2013-07-08 19:37:53 UTC
These hulls are going to be modified to be unique anyway. Although it may be a "bit" more work there is not reason to not reduce the number of duplicate hulls in EVE when there is a viable and sensible alternative already available.

Diversity is a good thing, especially when some hulls (especially those better suited by historical capability and role) are better for the task than others.

If significant work is going to eventually be done to all of T2 varieties anyway (60% Paladin anyone?) why not do it correctly.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#463 - 2013-07-08 22:21:22 UTC
I support this idea in full. Would love a T2 Hurricane.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#464 - 2013-07-09 02:42:24 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?



    YES PLEASE
    Lloyd Roses
    Artificial Memories
    #465 - 2013-07-09 10:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
    Gabriel Karade wrote:
    Also if you open this can of worms what about the interceptors? what about assault frigates?

    Changing things for the simple "I want a pony" [T2 Drake] attitude/reasoning would be really stupid. By all means as a role evolves, give us those choices, but don't screw the background (i.e different manufacturers taking a standard hull and modifying to their own requirements) in the process.



    I started this thread because I ran over two guys good suggestion (a picture posted by tippia and a statement/question by alara ionstorm), and reposted them with more context here. Initially, I was only asking for the eos, since it is atm the most messed up CS amongst all of them and surely due for a revamp. It's been a dev who then put it into a more concrete aesthetic design guideline (all CS-models will be based on former Tier 2 combat BC or none will)

    Since the CS all look identical (there was only BC hull a race as you pointed out), there was no option for a choice in hulls. By now, CS are well established, yet completely untouched for oh so long - meaning that they might score high for a need to be 'modernized'. This is on it's own no question for special snowflakes or 'this year, the eos will be a myrm hull', but it was simply an open question how others would feel about it.

    I believe that - according to the number of people that post here - most are in agreement with fozzies rather radical idea of telling the art team to design one new CS off each combat CB, though the 'nonono keep it'-front is usually fixated on the nighthawk (Do not change black ferox) and rarely on the sleipnir, whereas a lot of sleipnirusers themselves are torn between 'It's great and iconic as it is, but eos'.


    --- The rolechange lastly, that you were adressing, is indeed coming. In many occasions, a revamp of the CS-class has been announced and some rough guidelines have been handed out already, whereas it sounds like that it's only decided yet that every race will have CS featuring two different sets of offensive waeponry. And once they are all equally fun to fly and all useful in more than just the rarest scenarios, would say that would be a great point to deliver the masses with something new to stare at aswell.
    Tony S7ark
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #466 - 2013-07-15 20:47:52 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull


    • I`ll have to voice my opinion here. I believe this to be a bad move. Why? They're all iconic ships. Enough said.

    Eos was a great drone boat ship and would be best to have it's beard back, to be honest.
    Sleipnir -> hits like a train and looks like one. The Hurricane hull doesn't do it justice.
    Absolution -> the bloody beaked eagle. Don't. Just don't.
    Nighthawk -> the best passive tank missioner ship, has command ship written all over it. The Drake hull is just too bland.
    Minty Aroma
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #467 - 2013-07-15 21:00:21 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    would love my Sleipnir as a cane! I defo +1 this idea!
    Blue mistique
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #468 - 2013-07-16 12:11:10 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.


  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull



    • So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?

    I mentioned this exact thing to CCP Unifex middle of last year at an EvE / Dust 514 fan meet up in North of England - He said that no-one had thought of it before.

    Having the Nighthawk on a Ferox hull has always seemed wrong, same with Eos, Sleip and Abso.....

    Do it do it do it.....
    Shade Alidiana
    PROSPERO Corporation
    #469 - 2013-07-25 21:49:04 UTC
    I'd prefer to have Hurri hull on place of Claymore. I mean, there is already one camo Hurri, would like a clear one now.. And I like core complexion's ships. + they don't have too many combat ships.

    Would be really nice to fly a completely black Hurricane
    Katrina Oniseki
    Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
    Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
    #470 - 2013-08-01 17:43:24 UTC
    Bump for Fozzie.

    Katrina Oniseki
    Phoenix Jones
    Small-Arms Fire
    #471 - 2013-08-01 17:50:28 UTC
    Katrina Oniseki wrote:
    Bump for Fozzie.

    Bump for it all

    Yaay!!!!
    Baali Tekitsu
    AQUILA INC
    Verge of Collapse
    #472 - 2013-08-01 18:09:46 UTC
    I support this Idea.

    RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
    Jason Dunham
    Andvaranaut Conglomerate
    #473 - 2013-08-01 18:53:56 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?



    Please, please, please do it! I would fly them all just to see that sexy t2 Myrm, Hurricane, Drake, Harbinger action.
    Cuttlasslord
    Andvaranaut Conglomerate
    #474 - 2013-08-01 19:06:40 UTC
    I've thought for a long time that some of the models on the field commands didn't make sense. A drone boat Brutix? Missile boat Ferox? It would be a good time to update the models when the ships are changed anyways. T2 "tier 2" BCs (yeah tiericide happened I know...) would just be really cool.
    X Gallentius
    Black Eagle1
    #475 - 2013-08-01 20:14:46 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

    That would (potentially) mean:
  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
    • So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?

    Myrm got stiffed when Navy Battle Cruisers were introduced. It needs its own Command Ship hull as compensation. And the Eos is it.

    Don't really care about the other hulls.
    Pattern Clarc
    Citeregis
    #476 - 2013-08-01 20:22:18 UTC
    X Gallentius wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

    That would (potentially) mean:
  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
    • So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?

    Myrm got stiffed when Navy Battle Cruisers were introduced. It needs its own Command Ship hull as compensation. And the Eos is it.

    Don't really care about the other hulls.

    Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
    Sergeant Acht Scultz
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #477 - 2013-08-01 20:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?




    Me strongly supports this.

    Art guys already did an awesome job in differencing Tristan and Nemesis.

    Gooo for it, a nerd here and there will spew his poison anyway but seems the majority of players would love this. So why no???

    Edit: and for the love of god all saints whatnot or whoever you like change that puking Dominix hull design, soooo many devian art ships concepts with magnificent hull designs to replace it, leave the Navies with old look for nostalgic nerds and change it, change it change it, nao, do it !!

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    X Gallentius
    Black Eagle1
    #478 - 2013-08-01 20:38:01 UTC
    Pattern Clarc wrote:
    ...
    Just giving an added reason WHY the Eos should get the Myrm hull.....
    Iam Widdershins
    Project Nemesis
    #479 - 2013-08-01 21:38:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Iam Widdershins
    Putting in my vote for Sleipnir with the Hurricane hull. I don't know what these whiners are on about, I have more deep attachments to the Hurricane than the Sleipnir. I like the Sleipnir for what it does, not necessarily how it looks.

    Edit: Look, I know a lot of people have fond memories of the Sleipnir as it looks right now. Whatever man, I have fond memories of the Absolution as it looks now but I'm not going to ***** about it.

    This hull model change brings together two of my favorite things in EVE: a T2 Hurricane model, and the Sleipnir.

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    PinkKnife
    The Cuddlefish
    Ethereal Dawn
    #480 - 2013-08-01 21:42:57 UTC
    So, now that we have navy BCs on hulls that didn't have T2 variants (harby/drake) what about putting the other command ships on recolored Tier 3 BC hulls? A Sarum Oracle would be pretty damn cool.