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About the Eos' model

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Draunin
Garish Hardware Company
#441 - 2013-06-22 18:42:19 UTC
I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. I think it honestly fits much better with the rest of the ships in the game to have 2 different ones based on two different T1 hulls as there is no other ship in the game that does this. This is even more notable with the changes coming to CS as they will be performing the same roles with different weapons there needs to be some differentiation to the ships to better place them in these categories.
Draunin
Garish Hardware Company
#442 - 2013-06-22 18:59:48 UTC
Draunin wrote:
I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant. I think it honestly fits much better with the rest of the ships in the game to have 2 different ones based on two different T1 hulls as there is no other ship in the game that does this. This is even more notable with the changes coming to CS as they will be performing the same roles with different weapons there needs to be some differentiation to the ships to better place them in these categories.


Well there are a couple other T2 hulls that are duplicates but I don't like it on any of them (some have no reasonable alternative though). Now however with the tiericide hitting the CS the different hulls (and bonuses) make more sense than ever.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#443 - 2013-06-22 19:08:57 UTC
Draunin wrote:
I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant.


Agreed on the Sleipnir change... The only reason it's Iconic anyway is because it's been so horrendously overpowered compared to the other field commands over the last 7 years that it's seen a ton of usage. If the other field commands had the same number of slots as the Sleipnir (ccp is bad) I highly doubt it would nearly as Iconic as it is today.
Battlingbean
Wings of the Dark Portal
#444 - 2013-06-28 09:30:06 UTC
So is this happening?
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#445 - 2013-06-28 10:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Draunin wrote:
I think this is a fantastic idea I even like the Sleipnir change even though it is iconic the landscape of eve is always changing there is no need to be stagnant.


Agreed on the Sleipnir change... The only reason it's Iconic anyway is because it's been so horrendously overpowered compared to the other field commands over the last 7 years that it's seen a ton of usage. If the other field commands had the same number of slots as the Sleipnir (ccp is bad) I highly doubt it would nearly as Iconic as it is today.


They are not, but minmatar hulls where actually designed around a worse weapon system(projectiles before the projectile buff) and split weapon design and got extra slots, fitting and generous sig/speed to compensate.

So, the cyclone was a split weapon platform and the sleipnir was not, ccp still did keep carry over most of the design baselines.

Edit: On topic, I would not like the Eos and Sleip changing hull, for the NH(black ferox is awesome) and Absolution(Prophecy hull in red and gold is just gorgeous) it would be a crime in my opinion.
Tetsedah Izuto
Deadspace Exploration.
#446 - 2013-06-28 15:11:47 UTC
You have my support to change the hulls. Great idea. +1
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#447 - 2013-06-28 15:29:23 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:


That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    awesome idea!

    would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example?
    a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao!
    Markku Laaksonen
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #448 - 2013-06-28 15:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Markku Laaksonen
    It makes sense to have the command ships weapons follow the weapons of the T1 BC hulls. (Did I say that right?) I'd be for this. It's just a graphical change, and makes sense. It is an all or nothing, like Fozzie recognizes, and I'm all in.

    Edit: Would it be an easy thing for the art team or would it be better to wait until they got around to T2-ifying the command ship hulls and changing the hulls at that point?

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    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #449 - 2013-06-28 16:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
    Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
    awesome idea!

    would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example?
    a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao!

    It's been stated that all T2 hulls are eventually going to be "Vargurified", so yes it would be a modified Hurricane rather than just a normal one with Boundless Creation colors.

    Fun Trivia: The currently-underway remodel of the Paladin into its own unique hull required that 60% of the ship be redesigned. (Source: CCP BunnyVirus)


    Markku Laaksonen wrote:
    It makes sense to have the command ships weapons follow the weapons of the T1 BC hulls. (Did I say that right?) I'd be for this. It's just a graphical change, and makes sense. It is an all or nothing, like Fozzie recognizes, and I'm all in.

    Edit: Would it be an easy thing for the art team or would it be better to wait until they got around to T2-ifying the command ship hulls and changing the hulls at that point?


    If I were to guess, I'd say that the hull changes would wait until such time as Command Ships came up in the Art Dept's schedule of T2 ships to modify. Then they'd hold back the visual changes until all four were ready, put out a devblog when they were nearing release explaining what's going on, and then put out all eight (completely swapped + simply modified) new hulls at once.
    Nagarythe Tinurandir
    Einheit X-6
    #450 - 2013-06-28 16:30:08 UTC
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
    Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
    awesome idea!

    would the newSleip&friends get a slightly changed model, like the vargur for example?
    a 'vargurified' cane model for a sleipnir would be badass to the power of infinity ... do it. like nao!

    It's been stated that all T2 hulls are eventually going to be "Vargurified", so yes it would be a modified Hurricane rather than just a normal one with Boundless Creation colors.

    Fun Trivia: The currently-underway remodel of the Paladin into its own unique hull required that 60% of the ship be redesigned. (Source: CCP BunnyVirus)


    sweet :)
    Arrigo Glokta
    #451 - 2013-06-28 16:51:27 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Yep. I like it.
    Aki Kaito
    Doomheim
    #452 - 2013-06-28 19:04:21 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    CCP Fozzie, make it happen.
    Lephia DeGrande
    Luxembourg Space Union
    #453 - 2013-06-28 21:43:22 UTC
    Markku Laaksonen
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #454 - 2013-07-07 22:11:06 UTC
    Want to bring this back up to the front page.

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    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #455 - 2013-07-07 22:30:19 UTC
    Markku Laaksonen wrote:
    Want to bring this back up to the front page.



    This. I would like everyone to keep showing support for this.

    because:

    Quote:
    This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.


    I think that means people need to spam this thread with "hurr durr I want this change!"


    I would personally like my t2 hurricane and t2 myrms
    Qaidan Alenko
    Eezo-Lution Inc.
    #456 - 2013-07-07 22:51:59 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?

    *Looks intently into Fozzie's eyes, waving his hand nonchalantly...*

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    Roime
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    Shadow Cartel
    #457 - 2013-07-08 05:25:55 UTC
    This needs to happen!



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    Mr Doctor
    Therapy.
    Brave Collective
    #458 - 2013-07-08 10:40:56 UTC
    Yes, it must be done. Slep is awesome but the Cyclone model is ugly, make it a Cane! :D
    Shade Alidiana
    PROSPERO Corporation
    #459 - 2013-07-08 16:37:48 UTC
    I at the same time like and dislike the idea. I like finally having t2 drake, myrm, hurri and harb, and don't want to lose the original nighthawk and absolution. Is there really no way to introduce third hull? No real need, well... Just like their current versions somehow. Actually, Nighthawk is the only way I like Ferox.

    +1 anyway
    Gabriel Karade
    Coreli Corporation
    Pandemic Legion
    #460 - 2013-07-08 18:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Karade
    It is a bad idea swapping hulls on a whim in an environment with 10 years of development - to explain:

    Eve has a timeline, and in that timeline, Battlecruiser hulls were a relatively new development among the Empires. Command versions were developed shortly after, but the tier 2 (ok 'tiericide has occurred, but the back-story and time-line remains) and tier 3 versions were much later developments.

    Changing hull designs on a whim goes against the grain IMO and where does it stop? Are you going to swap hulls every 2 years when something else changes?

    T2 versions of the 'old'' Tier 2's would make sense when there is another technological development (read: role requirement) in the Eve universe.

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