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Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#301 - 2013-06-04 23:25:40 UTC
Tarkett Reedster wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull



    • Fozzie I would take it a step further and leave all of the existing hulls in game “as is” and change their paint schemes to an alternate NPC scheme e.g. the current Ferox/Nighthawk could use the Lia Dai colors. Then all new “Draked hulled” Nighthawks would be new production only. That would create an instant collector’s item that originated from “we the people” .

    Now that would be cool!


    You mean, give each command ship a 'variant' when crafting to determine which hull is actually used in the finished product (even giving an option for tier 3 hulls)? That would be amazingly cool.

    If you mean leave all current command ships as is graphically, but each new command ship made be a different hull ... oi. That would be sad, but also kinda cool.

    If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
    Tarkett Reedster
    House of Reed Interstellar Defense Force
    #302 - 2013-06-05 00:46:39 UTC
    Ruze wrote:
    Tarkett Reedster wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull



    • Fozzie I would take it a step further and leave all of the existing hulls in game “as is” and change their paint schemes to an alternate NPC scheme e.g. the current Ferox/Nighthawk could use the Lia Dai colors. Then all new “Draked hulled” Nighthawks would be new production only. That would create an instant collector’s item that originated from “we the people” .

    Now that would be cool!


    You mean, give each command ship a 'variant' when crafting to determine which hull is actually used in the finished product (even giving an option for tier 3 hulls)? That would be amazingly cool.

    If you mean leave all current command ships as is graphically, but each new command ship made be a different hull ... oi. That would be sad, but also kinda cool.


    Your second answer :)

    This would make them “limited addition” and collectable, additionally players who like the original design could buy them and show her undying loyalty. Well until they become trophy kills….
    Iyacia Cyric'ai
    Lai Dai Counterintelligence
    #303 - 2013-06-05 01:51:02 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
    nat longshot
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #304 - 2013-06-05 03:30:23 UTC
    +1 HELL YA DOOOOOOOO IT!

     [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
    Coreola
    Royal Amarr Institute
    Amarr Empire
    #305 - 2013-06-05 04:11:53 UTC
    Shouldn't the tanky vulture be the drake and nighthawk be the ferox? I enjoy the prophecy hull much more than the goofy harb.
    Also feel like the cyclone is iconic for comm ship. Cane looks too miniscule to command anything.

    Still support the change but generally because I think more variety is better and my sexy damnation isn't proposed to change.

    Jump, jump, jump.
    Patrice Macmahon
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #306 - 2013-06-05 05:08:55 UTC
    I vote +1

    Do it.


    I understand about the iconic image of the Slephie...

    No one seems tomind too much about turning the claymore into a Hurricane hull.... Good compromise if you can't get popular support around the Selphnier swap

    But Yes, gawd yes. I want my T2 Myrm in all it's boosting ewar superiority!

     "Much of this is crystallised in our philosophy, or as others call it "the Intaki Faith". We simply call it Ida - the literal translation is "to consider", and is a good description of the Intaki." 
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #307 - 2013-06-05 06:00:57 UTC
    Quote:
    But Yes, gawd yes. I want my T2 Myrm in all it's boosting ewar superiority!
    AND Armor!! Gallente CS's are gaining Armor bonus as well once Tiericide fully hits CS's. I just want that Myrm skin on the Eos, like NAOW!!

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #308 - 2013-06-05 07:46:35 UTC
    I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such.

    Lots of support here Fozzie, although a few points have been raised that are worth being addressed by someone with a Dev tag.

    Anyway, I should update the current numbers. Maybe if this gets to page 17 I'll do that.
    Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
    Republic Military Tax Avoiders
    #309 - 2013-06-05 08:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
    I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such.

    Lots of support here Fozzie, although a few points have been raised that are worth being addressed by someone with a Dev tag.

    Anyway, I should update the current numbers. Maybe if this gets to page 17 I'll do that.

    those logsnumbers show nothing. Less than 10% of playerbase uses forums, less than 5% posts there, even less posts in F&I and those that do are mostly vet players that have fetish or 2 for Sleipnir and/or for other hulls. IMO every hull should have its T2 variant, also hull and weapon platform it uses should be consistent between all t1-t2 pairs.

    It'll be better for CCP to organize a vote (similar to CSM one) so that we can know opinion of majority of players (limit to pilots >3 or 6 months old, 1 per account).

    Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #310 - 2013-06-05 09:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
    Less than 10% of the playerbase also voted for CSM 8. The "majority" of the playerbase doesn't actually care about anything outside of what they see in the client and only ventures outside of it when they want to complain.

    At this point, I think it's pretty safe to assume there's a green light to at least considering how to handle the side issues that would arise from such a change.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #311 - 2013-06-05 11:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
    Quote:
    I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such.
    Only in the ORIGINAL thread about Tiericide where CCP linked the before/after CS/T3 changes with an image. ALL CS's are getting dual bonuses, Gallente gets Info + Armor. ALL T3's are getting 3 bonuses but dropping down to 2% boost. Here's that image, I can't find the thread. For those of you still using Fleet/Field references, that dies with CS Tiericide also... Back to topic, after looking at that image again, and the realization that we now have a Navy version, it bares to ask CCP, do we REALLY need FOUR Brutix's? That plus the overwhelming support for the Eos to have the Myrmidon hull should tell you all you need to know. Granted it's not quite as bad as Magnates, CCP gives those away in every cereal box now.

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Amahuata Lindsay
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #312 - 2013-06-05 11:57:05 UTC
    Quote:
    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

    Eos would use the Myrm hull
    Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
    Abso would use the Harb hull
    Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
    As an Amarr Command Ship pilot I'm perfectly fine with the change. The video looks pretty good to me and it seems like only the really old players who have flown this ship or that ship for years are the ones, and few at that, complaining. I saw 1 player who objected to the Eos change, and a few who don't like the idea as it's presented as all or nothing. It's kind of like when the US Congress puts a bill together all the citizens need like supporting better care for the elderly and then they pair it with some crap saying women will have to serve men as slaves so they know it won't pass. I know that's a bit over exaggerated but not sure why this change HAS to be all or nothing.

    Eos = done, you have like 99% approval, the other 3 it's looking like about 50% approval more or less. Granted there's more players giving 100% approval than ANY players giving disapproval so that ~50% for the other 3 isn't an accurate number, but more like 50% of JUST the people who dislike the idea. I like the idea of a poll, and if you could use the new launcher as it's staging point like where you put the news that'd work great and more players would see it to voice their opinion.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #313 - 2013-06-05 12:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
    Amahuata Lindsay wrote:
    As an Amarr Command Ship pilot I'm perfectly fine with the change. The video looks pretty good to me and it seems like only the really old players who have flown this ship or that ship for years are the ones, and few at that, complaining. I saw 1 player who objected to the Eos change, and a few who don't like the idea as it's presented as all or nothing. It's kind of like when the US Congress puts a bill together all the citizens need like supporting better care for the elderly and then they pair it with some crap saying women will have to serve men as slaves so they know it won't pass. I know that's a bit over exaggerated but not sure why this change HAS to be all or nothing.

    Eos = done, you have like 99% approval, the other 3 it's looking like about 50% approval more or less. Granted there's more players giving 100% approval than ANY players giving disapproval so that ~50% for the other 3 isn't an accurate number, but more like 50% of JUST the people who dislike the idea. I like the idea of a poll, and if you could use the new launcher as it's staging point like where you put the news that'd work great and more players would see it to voice their opinion.

    Hey you stole my name... well sort of lol. I agree with the vote thingy, that'd give a ton of people the chance at least to be heard. And I am one of those really old players who has flown this ship or that ship for years, but am also 100% for this change (does that make me a minority?). I fly mostly Gallente/Caldari CS's and with Gallente gaining Armor bonus, prolly won't fly Amarr (which was the only reason I ever did) and I can't stand the way Minmatar ships look anyway. The only 2 Minmatar ships I can tolerate are the Cane and Rifter... Yeah I know, Trust in the rust. But that's why I'm for the change including the Cane change. And I'm sorry Caldari die hards, the Ferox is butt ugly. At least the Drake is a little nicer looking.

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Caitlyn Tufy
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #314 - 2013-06-05 12:33:58 UTC
    Quote:
    Eos would use the Myrm hull
    Abso would use the Harb hull
    Nighthawk would use the Drake hull


    Yes.

    Quote:
    Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull


    No.

    So, 3:1, I guess that's a yes on my part as well. Big smile
    David Ost
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #315 - 2013-06-05 13:23:37 UTC
    IamBeastx wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • Yes to EOS hull change.
    Yes to Abso hull change.
    Yes to Nighthawk hull change.

    No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen.

    Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo.


    Exactly, please do not destroy Sleipnir spirit. Yes, we would like to see some tweeks to the current look, but not hull transformation (and BIG NO to hurric one).
    David Ost
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #316 - 2013-06-05 14:00:30 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.


    I understand your way to make everything uniformed/predictable/balanced. To know that each race has these ships and their T2 variants, and they are using this abilities. In your perfect universe, you can predict every ship look, their stats and abilities only by knowing same tier in another race. I don't like that idea. I don't like this kind of uniformity. Real beauty is in creativity, difference, unexpected. Please reconsider your balancing plans from this angle of view. Please do not make same boring ships, only with different color, and different type of guns for each race. Do not listen to these people crying that something is unbalanced/overpowered., they will cry again after each rebalance, only ship name changes. Please make us happy by discovering unpredictable. Please let us have fun with different approaches of each race to combat making. Please build unique spirit about each ship, to make us love our ships. Not just pick that one, because it is in general same like the one I like, but has 0.9% higher isk per hour. Current ship state doesn't look like different ships from different races with different mentalities. It looks like China is making toys for russia, eu and usa in different colors with different names, but still in same factory.

    I hope you will read and consider this. :)
    Garviel Tarrant
    Beyond Divinity Inc
    Shadow Cartel
    #317 - 2013-06-05 14:26:05 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    If the abso becomes the harb hull you need to give it the same kinda makeover the apoc got.

    Give it visible armor plates! That baby needs to look tanky!

    BYDI recruitment closed-ish

    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #318 - 2013-06-05 14:34:28 UTC
    Garviel Tarrant wrote:


    If the abso becomes the harb hull you need to give it the same kinda makeover the apoc got.

    Give it visible armor plates! That baby needs to look tanky!


    In all likelihood, the Harbinger hull will be getting a full-on remodel just like the Apoc did. All the Amarrian ships will probably be retouched and remodeled a bit to be brought in line with the modern Amarrian aesthetic. That is to say that they'll be made to look more like the Impairor, Dragoon and new Apoc. I imagine the Harbinger will look even better after such a treatment, as will any T2 variants. On the subject of T2, the art department is also going through and tweaking every T2 model to look a little different than the T1 version. Right now they're giving the Paladin slightly different looks than the Apoc, with rumors saying it will come in the form of looking tankier and more heavily-armored.


    DeLindsay wrote:
    Quote:
    I'm curious where you got this information about armor bonuses and such.
    Only in the ORIGINAL thread about Tiericide ...


    CCP puts out so much information and I can never find any of it either. However, I thought you meant "Armor Bonus" as in some kind of bonus to the ship itself, not Armored Warfare. Thanks for finding the image, just the same. Now if I could only find the new one from this year's Fanfest where they put T1, T2, T3, Navy and Pirate on a graph to show where they are in relation to each other in terms of balance.
    Garviel Tarrant
    Beyond Divinity Inc
    Shadow Cartel
    #319 - 2013-06-05 14:58:28 UTC
    Could also make it bigger, i find it silly that the heavy armor harbinger is TINY besides the shield ferox..

    BYDI recruitment closed-ish

    Mole Guy
    Bob's Bait and Tackle
    #320 - 2013-06-05 15:02:13 UTC

    check it out.
    they all will be changed up a lil. the abso will be a laser boat, the damnation a missile boat.
    the sleip will be guns, the claymore will be missiles. the nighthawk will stay missiles and the vulture guns. the astarte will be guns but the eos will have bad ass drone damage. possible 125Mbit bandwidth and bonuses like the domi or gila..

    heres where it gets better.
    they all will have great dps (no more field or fleet choice between boost or survival).
    they all will have a bad ass tank
    they all will get 3% boost to links (3 links). so they will have weapon systems AND links.

    what Fozzie said in the future talks at fanfest was "imagine a ham spewing beast with the damnation tank..."
    his words lead me to believe they will have atleast abso dps with 3 warfare links.

    now, the best change is"
    amarr will not only boost armor warfare links, but they will gain the ability to boost skirmish equally well.
    gallente will boost armor and intel
    minie will boost skirmish and shield
    caldari will boost shield and intel.

    so your warfare link AND your racial enemies @ 3% (like fleet command ships) with damnation tank and absolution dps.
    so imagine the armor mindlink giving the fleet armor bonuses to resist and rep rate, plus the burner/mwd skirmish link.
    how will that work for ahacs?