EVE General Discussion

People made fun of the influence map on the Serenity server in China; all the while saying they were glad Tranquility was not a circle jerk fest of seas of blues. Now that we are able to visually see how the coalitions are, it is in fact worse on TQ than Serinity.

It is depressing to look at. Please close this thread so we all can go back to pretending null space is full of glorious wars and not who can give the best reach around.

If you had any idea how bloody the wars are, you'd change your tune.

TEST basically has one ally and is holding off three coalitions. We gon b rich come Odyssey.

Why do people believe this?

There is more gang warfare in nullsec than fleet warfare. Strategic operations take planning and need reasons for a few hundred or thousand people to all log on and dogpile into a system. Smaller scale PvP just happens and is constant. Any major chokepoint, valuable ratting system, or major hub wlll have dozens of gangs passing through a day, usually several an hour. The vast majority of PvP in nullsec involves something like 2-20 guys to a side.

Aren't you in NCdot, the guys who bring T3s to a T1 brawl?

Never not T3 (I'm not good enough to fly a T3)

Goons like it nice and safe.

Eh, they try and destabilize things very frequently for content.

It is more a result of the fact that GSF is the only alliance out in null that makes a point to actually employ diplomacy. If they make an agreement, they will stick by it. Because of that, their alliances tend to be very stable and long lasting. For an example just look at OTEC - so many opportunities to steal moons, but they refuse to fire the first shot. They'll gladly shoot the owners, but the agreement is rock solid.

Yes, highsec pubbies, GSF is probably the most trustworthy alliance in nullsec. Try that on for size.

I can refute it because currently the vast majority of null players who are interested in combat are pilled into one region right now. Akirei suggesting that a vast majority of null systems see combat multiple times an hour is simply a lie. The vast majority of PvP in null sec involves a structure timer.

After all, if what they described was true, I would be back east defending NCdot territory instead of road tripping on the other side of the map. If what they described was true, I would be worried about these so called hourly roams through our space. I would be defending our territory from these small gangs.

The FACT is that because small roaming gangs amount to no threat to sov, I don't need to patrol and monitor these gangs. If any decide to become bold enough to engage a structure, I am instantly via in game mail, notified at the very precise moment they shoot the first round of antimatter. And as I have witnessed countless times and explained just as many, I can travel, along with the rest of my corp, alliance and blues, clear across the map in about ten minutes to deal with it. That of course does guarantee victory, but damn sure means outside of another coalition invasion, anything smaller is not even remotely a threat.

My final thought on that situation is, extremely poor sov design and power projection. Perhaps you would be more comfortable if I played along and went around pretending that all of null is ripe with combat and epic battles in every system hourly?

Here is something else everyone can have a look at to have a bit of a feeling of how much sov warfare is happening:

http://eve-kill.net/?shp_name=Territorial%20Claim%20Unit <-- A TCU being killed is a sign of the owner losing space, not 100% accurate, but acts as a decent gauge.
http://eve-kill.net/?shp_name=Sovereignty%20Blockade%20Unit <-- A SBU being killed shows a sign of the owner of space preventing a hostile from taking the space from them, again, not 100% accurate, but a decent gauge.

So if those mega coalitions are so active in wars and take overs and smaller entities being able to take and hold space; why is there so very, very few TCU and SBU kill mails each day? Hell there is even days when none are killed. How many different ways do you need someone to tell you null is stagnant? The only thing going on is WoT style combat in Delve. The rest of the null map, is quiet as a mouse for sov conflict.

How is that for being dishonest?

Marlona, this might surprise you but I agree that null isn't as dynamic as I would like. I agree that sov mechanics are total ****. I agree that Akirei's post may have had certain points exaggerated.

However, you seemed to be implying, more than just a refutation of the "multiple gangs per hour for trade hubs/ratting systems/staging systems" premise, that small to medium sized combat and roaming gangs are rare in nullsec. They really aren't. This is what I was disagreeing with.

I also disagree, as you well know, with the notion that power projection is a contributing factor to nullsec stagnation - if anything it's one of the few things preventing even further stagnation. In essence I don't buy into the premise that slower and more difficult movement would suddenly make null more vibrant. If anything it would only serve to enforce the safety gained by large power blocs.

"rare" is an exaggeration, but there could be so much more. furthermore, it should be hardcoded into nullsec, not just a possibility.

a lot of the good small stuff that happens is only because nullsec currently has sovereign entities that leverage large numbers of terrible citizen soldier players, who make up the bulk of the low end targets for gangs. if we were back in the master/renter model, then all you have is elite predator and helpless prey, which basically comes down to trying to trick ratting bots

are there currently pockets of below sov level action in nullsec? of course. however, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't receive an enormous hardcoded boost from developers.