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I see you know exactly what your talking about,
because those "Rumors" have actually been released by CCP already and got discuessed in this section several times new decryptors

btw. I bet my whole 1,5 bil on my wallet that most of the 179 BPO´s wont actually be sold...
Eve needs end-game goals like T2 BPO`s. you could easily compare them with titans for indy guys.
I guess titans are unfair too because you can`t open a bridge with your rifter but he can, gotcha.

That's a lovely strawman you've thrown together there. Except what I actually said, one more time, in crayon, just for you:



You've chosen to ignore this exceptionally important qualifier because, again, your childish angst over BPOs trumps all other concerns, up to and including maintaining any semblance of personal integrity.

They are not worthless at all (and, again, you seem be a walking, talking, weapons-grade imbecile at this point, because they quite obviously always have their market value as worth, which, due to their rarity and value as collectors items alone is always substantial), they're just a very bad investment for the vast majority of players. We'll refer to this group hereafter as the "spacepoors".

Spacepoors, in this context, are people for whom the ability to grow their NAV in an "investment" fashion is ultimately bottlenecked by the amount of money they have available, and not by some other resource. This means that spacepoors should, in general, be seeking the very best return they can get on their money.

Suppose you, as a spacepoor, have 10 billion ISK. Let's look at some of your possible investment options, here:

You could buy a (bad) T2 BPO. Assume this price constitutes 7 years of manufacturing profit (which is generous on my part in today's market). If you spend 10 billion on a BPO at that return rate, you can expect it to generate about 119 million a month in profit.

Do you know how hard I would have to work to make 10 billion isk generate only 120 million a month doing, literally, anything else?

I honestly don't think I could do it. Hell - the NPC price of a retriever BPO is 1.7 billion. As they're only available in Outer Ring, you can sell them quite readily for 2 billion in trade hub systems, so we can take that same 10 billion, buy 5 retriever BPOs, have 1.5 billion left over for cake and ice cream, and pull in about 12x the profit that our 10 billion ISK T2 BPO would have yielded, and that's basically the second worst thing I could think to do with that sum of money.

So, since most people, in this context, are spacepoor, this brings us back to my original statement: At the NAV of most players, the dumbest thing to do with a T2 BPO is to actually possess one. Since their investment options are bottlenecked by isk, it makes no sense for them to have a huge (relative to their NAV) portion of their money tied up in an extremely low-return investment when they could, instead, convert the BPO to ISK and then enjoy many times the return that would be provided by the BPO.

All that said: I, to be clear, number among the "spacepoor", in this context. I hold no T2 BPOs because, in addition to being spacepoor, I'm not an idiot.

I did once make 8 billion in a skosh under 12 hours flipping a BPO I spotted at a stupidly low price on public contracts. At the time, production of the BPO in question would have yielded a 2 billion isk loss per year. What an amazingly unfair advantage the possession of that BPO would have given me.

Then, there's the spacerich. These are people who have so much money that it's difficult to actually put it all to work. They're simply out of capacity - market slots, lab slots, factory slots, etc., and STILL have hundreds of billions sitting in their wallet. These are the people for whom T2 BPOs make sense, because they have a huge sum of money which is otherwise sitting there depreciating in purchasing power thanks to inflation.



So I take it you've never read any of the QENs, or watched any of Dr. Eyjog's presentations, or even had any sort of awareness of the fact that there is an economy here at all, because basically, you're so full of **** your eyes are brown. ISK flowing into the game Vs. Isk flowing out of the game is something they actually spend a pretty sizable chunk of time managing. The fact that they employ an economist should, at least, cause you to pause for just a moment before suggesting that it wouldn't matter if they just blink some tens of trillions of isk into existence.



Finally: It's not merely my opinion that they have no particular detrimental impact on the economy. It's a well known and documented fact. It's an issue that was pretty firmly put to rest in a QEN many years ago. Every now and then some uppity newblet passes through and throws a tantrum that amounts to nothing more than, "T2 BPOs should be removed because I don't like them!"

Which brings me back, once more, to my initial modest proposal to you: Don't like 'em? Buy 'em and trash 'em. Since they're objectively known to not be problematic to the welfare of the game, your dislike of them is the very definition of a personal problem, so you deal with it.

They are selling them now because in the winter expansion (Revolution) all T2 BPOs are having their ME/PE set to -5 and cannot be reasearched or copied anymore. Some other notable changes are POS manufactoring slots and research slots can be opened up to the public. The Orca is getting a mineral compression ability. PI/POS layouts can be saved for easy deployment. And i'm probably making this up because it's in the middle of a wall of text and no one will read it. There will also be Rogue Drone faction ships.

If what you are saying is true, the next expansion will be the true revolution, in same time I'm pissed off if big alliances had access to these information and they started to sell their tech II BPOs for cash before they become obsolete.

Yes, however if you look at the copy and manufacturing times, they take longer to copy than manufacture.

You need to compare it to the equivalent of inventing the given items and then work it out from there. Of course inventing is going to be more clicky and involve a bit of ****** about, but otherwise that's your baseline to work out what the BPO's ROI is (opportunity cost and so on), plus the risk of putting out ISK for something like that when it's clear they're eventually going to disappear.

It´s obviously not a national-law they would be breaking, BUT taking away hard worked Game items away is just something CCP has never done before and will never do. For the simple reason that nobody would trust CCP enough anymore to spend hours and hours to grind money.

So saying "they´d have to reimburse" is not stupid or wrong at all.



CCP and the majority of the Player-base seem not to share your opinion, so it might be rather the time to stop whining after 7 years?



even if they dont have a impact on the market, their removel would have quite a impact for their owners as an individual...i can`t believe that somebody had to explain you that

So a single person is selling 179 T2 BPO´s and suddenly T2 BPO´s are one of the major problems in eve again?
lol, it´s so predicatable

you jellybelly´s never learn, YOU CAN'T TALK THEM AWAY

All changes have an impact on someone. The scanning changes are going to effect people who do a lot of that stuff as the competition will be higher, ice roid changes. I've recently lost the ability to fly cyclones effectively as my missile skills aren't up to mustard. Like I said every change eve makes causes someone a problem, what makes t2 bpos any different.

Lol great post. You picked up two fish with that!