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A challenge for the [J4LP] zealots

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-01 01:32:33 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Two sides of the same coin argue who owns the metal.

'I am winning today!'
'Ah, but I won yesterday.'

It will flip again tomorrow. And the next day. And the next. All the while both sides are imprinted on the same piece. Always opposite. Never seperate. Victory is meaningless when another hand will flip again shortly.


Despite being a Nation Loyalist, you do often say wise things. If only your brains could be applied elsewhere.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#22 - 2013-06-01 01:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Sepherim wrote:
Mythical Myth wrote:
While normally I would agree with you 100%. Time has shown that these barbarians can only be taught through force and this sacrifice is the best way to put them in their rightful place so that we can guide them to the light. It saddens me that we must take these steps but it is for the greater good.


If they are barbarians that can only be taught by force as you claim, then you have reduced yourselves to their place. You have turned your back on what the Reclaiming is, and what slavery stands for. You've all entered the path of the Sabik gladly.

You have killed 130 thousand civilians, 130 thousand future members of the amarrian faith. You have brought shame on yourselves and all of us.

If PIE would like to join in putting these madmen in their place, I would be open to negotiating a temporary cease-fire to facilitate that. Through more private channels than this thread, though, of course. This is not an issue inherent to our conflict, but rather a gross lack of decency which descends whatever cultural squabbles we may not be able to resolve.

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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-06-01 02:29:27 UTC
That is for our supperiors to decide. Right now we have our orders, and those include securing the Bleak Lands and compromised space so they can fall back into imperial hands. We're not the police of the militia. I'm sure my superiors will act in the appropriate way when time comes, as they surely feel the moral repulse these barbaric actions imply. But our duty is above anything else, even if it may come at impressively high prices.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#24 - 2013-06-01 06:20:57 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
If they are barbarians that can only be taught by force as you claim, then you have reduced yourselves to their place. You have turned your back on what the Reclaiming is, and what slavery stands for. You've all entered the path of the Sabik gladly.

You have killed 130 thousand civilians, 130 thousand future members of the amarrian faith. You have brought shame on yourselves and all of us.


The primitive moralising of the Theology Council blind you brother. All serve the divine purpose. For some this purpose is to give of themselves in a great act of donation. This is not a lowly act, it was helping guide these souls to the fulfillment of the greatest and truest moment of their lives.

I cry with happiness at this momentous event. We all should.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-06-01 06:57:26 UTC
edeity wrote:


The primitive moralising of the Theology Council blind you brother.


And by whose authority do you demean the highest moral philosophers of the Empire?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Vincent Rekmus
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-06-01 12:29:32 UTC
Who is to say it was not gods judgment that led to those slaves deaths?

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger, all of his fury and rage."


"Chosen, you are first before God. You are the True and the Faithful. But in such a state must you hold yourselves high above all."

Who is to say the action of our friends was not in gods service?

If we are to hold ourselves above the others then that includes the ability to judge them as weak and handle them accordingly.


And I close with a warning for those quick to judge this action.

"The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt"

Arve Vesren
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-01 16:36:43 UTC

I will remind all contributors to this thread that the Communications Relay Committee strictly prohibit the disclosure of EVEmails and private conversation logs.

Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#28 - 2013-06-01 19:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Feldman
Sepherim wrote:
Mythical Myth wrote:
While normally I would agree with you 100%. Time has shown that these barbarians can only be taught through force and this sacrifice is the best way to put them in their rightful place so that we can guide them to the light. It saddens me that we must take these steps but it is for the greater good.


If they are barbarians that can only be taught by force as you claim, then you have reduced yourselves to their place. You have turned your back on what the Reclaiming is, and what slavery stands for. You've all entered the path of the Sabik gladly.

You have killed 130 thousand civilians, 130 thousand future members of the amarrian faith. You have brought shame on yourselves and all of us.


If these slaves could be taught by anything other than force, we would not be engaged in a war with them. That is a simple fact. I support the reclaiming, however, our war is one that will be one where people can and do die. The 130,000 that died were far from innocent civilians, they were not families like the ones we attempted to set free to Ushra'Khan. No, these slaves were war criminals, heretics, and those far too feral to ever have any hope at being rehabilitated or too significant a threat to hold captive.

I am shocked and appaled by your claim that we attempt to bring these slaves to God's light by a means other than force. Words have their place, yet they hold no weight when not backed by force. You would have us cast aside our swords and turn our glorious Empire into the next Sister's of EVE.

It is understandable that you should see the word blood and immediately conjure up the image of Sabik, yet in our instance blood was not significant for the sake of an occult ritual. For us, blood serves as a grisly reminder to the Matari of this horrendous war we are fighting and the peace we will never have until they submit and turn to the light of our faith.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#29 - 2013-06-02 01:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Some transmissions were unfortunately lost to an undisclosed manufacturing fault in a particular series of Fluid routers. They have been replaced forthwith.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-06-02 01:14:00 UTC
Captain Feldman, I'm a Ni-Kunni. There was a time when we were enslaved, and I'm sure that in the centuries that followed there were many problems here and there. And certainly there were surely voices that talked about how we could not be turned and Reclaimed into proper amarrians.

Of course, we did not obtain a Republic of our own, I understand the difference in there.

But the lesson about slavery is perseverance and the long time. It's not done in one generation or a dozen years, it takes much more than that: for the slave, and the slaver. And yet, in the end, it works and people become propper amarrians. You denied them and their childs the chance, and that is against what we should be doing.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-06-11 15:29:11 UTC
Though the Empire and I have, unfortunately, had our differences in the past I will be in attendance - much to the chagrin of some officials.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2013-06-11 17:42:45 UTC
I hate to interject in your delightful argument, but due to the interference of Sansha Kuvakei's puppets during an incursion this past week, the event has unfortunately been delayed. The new time is:

06/13, at 03:00 ET

I'm not willing to chalk it up to mere coincidence that Sansha decided to strike here and now. I didn't think you Amarr could sink so low, but I suppose slavers are going to stick together.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#33 - 2013-06-13 02:02:22 UTC
T minus 1 hour. I am seeing indications that J4LP may fail to show up. If that turns out the case, we will instead direct our energy at attacking other zealots: CVA in Providence. Please do not use expensive clones in case we do end up doing that.

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Draak Algemeen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-13 02:40:29 UTC
We can't stand up to the mighty Rifterlings, you win.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#35 - 2013-06-13 07:35:02 UTC
130,000 innocent lives thrown away in a cheap attempt to create political propaganda? Just another day in the Republic.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#36 - 2013-06-13 07:42:51 UTC
Draak Algemeen wrote:
We can't stand up to the mighty Rifterlings, you win.

Evidently, Fweddit did not show up to "come for their people". All 200 slavers have been disappeared.

As accused, looks like it's lots of talk with no bite, and a good side of cowardice.

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